LOC - Argeus Empire

[Kelborn]

 

I'm not opposed to the idea, it seems like a cool one, but I can't really see them surviving the Scouring, especially not if they're allied to the Suzerainty. 

 

I'm not as worried about this potential issue. 

 

Since it's pertinent to the topic at hand, I'll go ahead and share these thoughts. I'm imaging the Imperium following in the same historical pattern as ancient Israel after King Solomon's death. Not only is the kingdom split beneath the foolishness of King Rehoboam, neither Israel or Judea are able to truly recapture the glory days of Solomon and David as both kingdoms are whittled away by their enemies before the death blows are dealt by Assyria and Babylon.

 

Some of that is repeated here. The Imperium is split into two kingdoms that will alternatively be rivals and allies, depending on the occasion. Now, the reason that Kozja causes the division of the legions is actually to protect the Suzerainty from the Imperium. After the deaths of Icarion and Alex, we mirror canon in which the Loyalists and the Reformists seek to cleanse the galaxy of the Traitor's taint and recovering the lost territory.

 

At first, everything is going smoothly. Both the Imperium and Suzerainty are able score victory after victory and expand both realms, but it's a slow process. This is because of instead 18 legions, there are now only 10 legions with no Emperor and short an additional two Primarchs. It's like restarting the Great Crusade at the halfway point with a third of the firepower. Still, things are going well with Kozja and the second Warmaster coordinating the legions and military forces.

 

This first phase ends once the outer circle of Icarion's empire is now back under control. This territory was only recently lost to the Traitors or was mostly razed because the Traitors were now tainted by corruption and were eschewing empire building as opposed to running amok. After this outer ring is the inner ring. This is territory that has been under Icarion's control for a decade of the war and have mostly submitted to the Stormlord. 

 

Here, the fighting gets more vicious as there is greater resistance against the Imperium and the Suzerainty. It is also at this point that the alliance between the Imperium and the Suzerainty is strained. Although Kozja may be the greatest leader among the surviving Primarchs, he still only has his legion and the Warriors of Peace for legions, while the Imperium still has eight legions. As the fighting gets worse, the Imperium makes more territorial gains than the Suzerainty does. 

 

As the Scouring drags on, the Imperium is successfully grabbing much of its territory through hard work, while the Suzerainty continues to fall behind, until the Imperium is almost twice the size of the Suzerainty. By this point, half or two thirds of the inner shell of Icarion's Imperium is cleansed, opening up the central core of Icarion's empire. This is territory that has been under the Stormlord's control for 20+ years, an entire human generation. It's obviously going to be where the hardest battles are.

 

It is at this time that Kozja forces the Suzerainty treaty on the Imperium, which includes the Cohort law. This is Kozja attempting to reduce Imperium's legion advantage and give the Suzerainty a chance to even out the territory sizes. The Imperium, resentfully, complies with a degree of variation among the legions. Regardless, the actual offensive power of the Imperium is highly reduced, while the Suzerainty's offensive power is moderately reduced. 

 

This is how the Aurean Imperium and the Jackel's raiders could survive. Our Great Scouring is going to take centuries, and, even then, it never fully reaches the original size of the Great Crusade the day before the Insurrection happens. Because by the time the Imperium and Suzerainty are getting close to these golden age boundary lines, the Orks have recovered, the Dark Eldar are preying on victims behind the front lines, and Chaos is constantly trying to find a door into the material realm. 

 

 

And that, ladies and gents, is the way to go with the Aurean Technocracy!

Not only did I enjoy reading this, it truly makes sense of how such small realms like the Technocracy and the Raiders could have survived in our Scouring.

 

 

The book that is currently being put together is Book 1, the beginning of the Insurrection (legion war).

Well gonna start on those 52 pages. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

 

 

Good luck. I'm part of this bunch since octobre 2015 and I still don't know everything. ^^

 

 

I'm just thinking about a potential relation between the Technocracy and the Predators. ;)

 

What would be the overall goal of the Technocracy? Conquer everything and reshape it into something of worth or to unify menkind in order to do xxxx [enter reason]?

[Sigismund229]

@sim. Taking centuries sounds a bit off. Decades I could see. However, the mental image I had in my mind was that the Suzerainty was much, much smaller than the Imperium, nothing to sniff at but still not enormous when compared to the juggernaut that is the Imperium.

 

It could be as Kozja tries to force the cohort division that the first shots are fired between the Suzerainty&Imperium.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Sigismund229

[Apothecary Meros]

*tries not to be massively confused by all the new lore I'm seeing*

 

I've got a lot of research to do it seems before I end up writing anything else...

[simison]

@sim. Taking centuries sounds a bit off. Decades I could see. However, the mental image I had in my mind was that the Suzerainty was much, much smaller than the Imperium, only around 1/4 of the size.

 

I'm thinking two or just three centuries before the Scouring is declared 'over'. And, by that point, I imagine the Suzerainty is a third of the Imperium's size, though I can be persuaded that it should only be a quarter. The only requirement is that it needs to be large enough that declaring war on it is too much of a hassle for the Imperium.

 

Don't sweat it too much, Meros. That entire post was all secret info on my part until today. I was waiting for us to conclude the Insurrection books first, but Sete brought up a question that needed answering.

Edited August 18, 2016 by simison

[Kelborn]

Just a suggestion for your psyker guard:

 

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/G-Near-to-final-concept.jpg

[bluntblade]

Hang on, the Auretian Technocracy? Last time I checked, they'd gladly joined the Imperium thanks to the Iron Bears. Edited August 18, 2016 by bluntblade

[Sete]

So much to read its a bit overwhelming.

Who are the Predators? Yeah they can have some units with Stealth :) if its a reference to the get to the chopa predator :P

The army Elite Unit :P

I already have a model in mind for them.

 

I have seen some models (impressive stuff) and I will probably use Guard and Tempestus models.

 

MK6 Legs and MK7 Torso for the "Exorcists"

Emperor Bodyguard and secret police.

Add Grey Knights Swords and helmets and Deathwatch caped torso. No back pack.

 

Im overthinking this stuff xD

 

Now their intentions?

The conflict will engulf the galaxy. They do not want to serve either tyrants or monsters. Check the tribes of Iberic peninsula and how long they resisted roman ocupation. What did they want? Freedom.

Since there was a technocracy around im going for Aurea (from Aurelion, the Golden Lion) Empire.

I might even use some Fantasy Models. That Phoenix Guard ;)

Edited August 18, 2016 by Sete

[Sigismund229]

Hmm. 200-300 years for the Scouring seems a bit long, particularly given that the traitor legions won't necessarily stand and fight and humans, no matter how determined, are no match for space marines.

 

As to a drastic reduction in the Imperium's striking power, true. However, while I haven't put much thought into how the Crimson Lions react to the Cohort division, I imagine they'd split into Cohorts but then the Cohorts would ignore the 10k limit and keep on the Clan based organization(which I'd probably netter start thinking about how that translates into a Cohort type format...) with their numbers rising and falling depending on their fortunes in war. So they may not be too terribly reduced(although they'll never match anything approximating even small legion size)

[simison]

Both the Auretian Technocracy and the Interex are peacefully integrated within the Imperium by the end of the Insurrection...if they have survived the Insurrection.

 

My reasoning is that it took the Imperium 250-ish years with 18 legions & Primarchs with the Emperor to conquer most of the known galaxy. If the Imperium had to restart with half the territory and half the Legion force against a more organized, corrupted enemy it'd take the same amount of time, roughly.

[bluntblade]

I think for a lot of questions we raised we just need to stick everything on the Galactic Map and then go from there.

[Sigismund229]

Provided said enemy stood and fought(not a given as some legions may just head straight for the Maelstrom zone. Probably the Harbingers what with Icarion's death on Terra and then Madrugal being swallowed by the warp). My main objection to the 2-3 centuries is that I don't think the traitors would still be a united force following Terra. Their uniting force(Icarion) is dead.

[MikhalLeNoir]

So what about setting them up behind thr galactic vpid into the west? It could have been an exploration fleet. Out of the known galaxy they could develop in freedom and could be a real threat later on. If they decide to return to an imperium who lost a lot of technology but they habe all this tech. Haf enough time to grow an army and now they return too bring the imperium back to thr vision big e in their mind had.

[Kelborn]

So much to read its a bit overwhelming.

Who are the Predators? Yeah they can have some units with Stealth http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png if its a reference to the get to the chopa predator http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

The army Elite Unit http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

I already have a model in mind for them.

 

I have seen some models (impressive stuff) and I will probably use Guard and Tempestus models.

 

MK6 Legs and MK7 Torso for the "Exorcists"

Emperor Bodyguard and secret police.

Add Grey Knights Swords and helmets and Deathwatch caped torso. No back pack.

 

Im overthinking this stuff xD

 

Now their intentions?

The conflict will engulf the galaxy. They do not want to serve either tyrants or monsters. Check the tribes of Iberic peninsula and how long they resisted roman ocupation. What did they want? Freedom.

Since there was a technocracy around im going for Aurea (from Aurelion, the Golden Lion) Empire.

I might even use some Fantasy Models. That Phoenix Guard http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/msn-wink.gif

 

Sorry, I meant my XXth Legion, the Predators.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324535-the-xxth-legion/ :)

[bluntblade]

If anything, we want disunity so that there's a perceived need being served by Raiden pulling together the equivalent to the Black Legion.

[Sigismund229]

If anything, we want disunity so that there's a perceived need being served by Raiden pulling together the equivalent to the Black Legion.

Precisley. Raiden won't immediately take control following Icarion's death and in order for him to become Warmaster, there needs to be disunity which shouldn't be too hard as several legions are already fracturing by the time of Terra(the Drowned I believe are pretty fractured by that time and I could see the Grave Stalkers breaking apart after K'awils death).

[bluntblade]

If I remember correctly, in the canon only the Death Guard retreat with the level of unity thats expected from a Legion

[Sete]

According to the lore the astronomican barely reaches the eastern fringe. I think its a great place for a small empire to develop unnoticed. Hence my choice of that spot.

 

Gonna continue reading :)

Edited August 18, 2016 by Sete

[simison]

I wasn't thinking of the Traitor Legions, who I assumed for the most part retreated to the Eye and to the Maelstrom with some exceptions. I'm instead thinking of the Traitor mortal forces, who will provide the majority of the fight in the Scouring, along with Grave Stalker and Jackel raiding forces. (Predator, too?) 

 

Again, it's not so much as the quality but quantity that slows down the Scouring. There's just so much territory to recover from the Traitors, and, unlike Horus, Icarion left behind a cohesive power, one that will undoubtedly be relying on daemonic power to reinforce their forces. 

 

There's no doubt who will eventually win because the Loyalists/Reformists have the Space Marines and the Primarchs, it's just everything is slowed down, especially as more Loyalist Primarchs fall and/or disappear and the legions are stretched thin. 

[Sigismund229]

According to the lore the astronomican barely reaches the eastern fringe. I think its a great place for a small empire to develop unnoticed. Hence my choice of that spot.

 

Gonna continue reading :)

Well as I said, beacons. However, depending on how far out they are the Imperium could have only just encountered them when the Insurrection kicks off and the Imperium has more important things to do to say the least.

 

Incidentaly, how about, after a few skirmishes with Imperial space marines, these guys acquire some power armour and study it then build their own variants for their elite troops? This could just be me being selfish but I'd love to see some guys who are like the Palace Guards of Vaardus Praal are described in Galaxy in Flames.

[Kelborn]

May I throw in my two cents?

 

I would not place it that early on. We do have the Nomad invasion in M32, right?

 

Furthermore, I got the frame for another campaign as a major event in the following centuries.

 

Let the Aurea Imperium return in M40/41. Why?

 

There are enough threats to deal with until the Aurean people can show up. The canon Imperium hasn't expanded since the Great Crusade, constantly fighting against xenos and traitors alike.

We got xenos, traitors and the empire of Kozja. Plenty of adversaries to deal with.

 

I think it was Mikhal who suggested that it could be a great opportunity to herald the Endtimes. A unknown empire appears out of nowhere, bringing both death and enlightment. While the Imperium is trying to deal with this new threat, chaos can recover and rise again, initiating the Endtimes.

 

And (maybe it's just me) I'm curious of how the Aurean Imperium could develop seperately. A Tau like human empire with advanced technology and spreading the words of the imperial truth? Count me in!

Edited August 18, 2016 by Kelborn

[bluntblade]

I wasn't thinking of the Traitor Legions, who I assumed for the most part retreated to the Eye and to the Maelstrom with some exceptions. I'm instead thinking of the Traitor mortal forces, who will provide the majority of the fight in the Scouring, along with Grave Stalker and Jackel raiding forces. (Predator, too?)

 

Again, it's not so much as the quality but quantity that slows down the Scouring. There's just so much territory to recover from the Traitors, and, unlike Horus, Icarion left behind a cohesive power, one that will undoubtedly be relying on daemonic power to reinforce their forces.

 

There's no doubt who will eventually win because the Loyalists/Reformists have the Space Marines and the Primarchs, it's just everything is slowed down, especially as more Loyalist Primarchs fall and/or disappear and the legions are stretched thin.

Oh. Excellent points.

 

Sigi, it's quite possible that the Aurea (can we tweak that name just a tad?) will have power armour of their own just as the Interex and Technocracy do.

[Sigismund229]

I'd still believe that a 50-100 year Scouring woud be better timewise. Because yes they're co ordinated but they are, at the end of the day, just human and legionaries and primarchs tear through humans extremely fast.

[Sete]

Ah yes Beacons. Well some can be destroyed in the fighting, or maybe the Empire was not found by chance or just recently discovered when the fight begun like you said.

The elite will use Power Armour and Swords. After all in caliban they had proto power armour, so that tech was known to mankind before the age of strife.

Its feasible that they developed their own.

The Army Elite (Regular humans, commando style) unit will have stealth and proto power armour.

The rest will use Carapace armour.

I dont know if you guys are making rules but I dont need to go very far for mine. I already had this planned in the special section area.

Aurelion- Castellan Crowe. 2 wounds, Badass sword fighter, ML2.

Exorcists-Grey Knight Strike Squad

Comandos- Tau Stealth Squad. Hit and run tactics

Regular Army- Fire warriors

:)

Edited August 18, 2016 by Sete

[bluntblade]

Powered armour is a legacy of the Dark Age of Technology. Hence the Technocracy's troops appear like miniature Space Marines.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Well if you wait long enough amd return aurelion might have been able to reproduce thunder warriors..imagine an army of thunderwarriors attscking the imperium.