betrayer41 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Hey mate, I actually would like your theory to be true. I understood that Silonius conscious was transferred to Alpharius body overriding his temporarily and thus making him see his own body, but at no time Alpharius is described seeing his own body too which made me think that they took Silonius consciousness and duplicated it rather than doing a freaky Friday body swap. Also in the scenes in the Alpha, Silonius seems to be conscious that he is Silonius and at no point that changes. Then Omegon would feel he was alone if the soul of Alpharius died, not his body. But the crucial point was in the BL live event where the author and Laurie Goulding clarified Alpharius was dead and not coming back. Hey bud, I love a good debate. Thanks for your insight, re-reading the section where we are introduced to Silonius (on the alpha battle barge), I agree, he speaks of herzog and Pech possibly being jealous. Perhaps not the thought process of a Primarch. But your theory suggests that Silonius was in effect existing in two places at the same time, but the author makes it clear that his awareness shifts from his body to Alpharius's. I think if the authors have categorically stated he is dead, it does limit the theory somewhat! The novel has peaked my interest in the imperial fists, I've always wanted some breachers, they may have to be yellow.... You mean like how certain show runners and and a TV exec of a certain 3 Letter TV channel said someone was "dead...deader than dead", "not coming back dead"?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4593354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Well he still had his head. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4593421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I want to believe http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/001/299/i-want-to-believe.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4593488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I want to believe http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/001/299/i-want-to-believe.jpg Now that you mention I did take a trip out to Area 51 last weekend. :P No matter which way the cookie crumbles I thought the book was very good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuittzz Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 So if this theory is true it's just another case of 'just as planned' from the AL? I can handle good amounts of plot armour but it's getting tedious if this does come to pass. Who needs the other 8 traitor legions at this point, sure the AL will do it all themselves . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 So if this theory is true it's just another case of 'just as planned' from the AL? I can handle good amounts of plot armour but it's getting tedious if this does come to pass. Who needs the other 8 traitor legions at this point, sure the AL will do it all themselves . You seem to imply the other legions are not the Alpha Legion. Insider knowledge points to all Legions and Primarchs being Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 We need a safe zone for the dead primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 In the grim darkness of the far future, there are no safe spaces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 We need a safe zone for the dead primarchs. It would be okay if dead characters had a habit of staying dead. But they don't. Not even ferrus. However many times he's killed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 We need a safe zone for the dead primarchs. It would be okay if dead characters had a habit of staying dead. But they don't. Not even ferrus. However many times he's killed. Not even bloody Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Kurze and sang know how to stay dead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Kurze and sang know how to stay dead They've hinted that sang may not be in a novel whose name escapes me. But at least kurze really does Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slitth Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Yeah... but for real though, I do think Alpharius' consciousness has been transferred elsewhere. He let himself die too easily. Nope, Alpharius the man is dead. All that remains of Alpharius the man is his twin Omegon. Fortunately Alpharius the Primarch is as immortal as Batman. They may kill of Bruce Wayne, but Batman will return. Because Batman is a persona, an ideal. The same goes for Alpharius the Primarch, he is also an ideal. And ideals are really hard to kill. As to why Alpharius the man died so easily. Simply because he made a mistake, an error of judgement. Which is the nature of Alpharius the Primarch, everything is believed to be in control and following the plan. So when something is not 100% by the plan in a critical moment in a high stakes battle ground that the Alpha Legion prefers. Thing have a high chance of going critically wrong very fast. And that what happened, Alpharius believed he had Dorn in a situation where it could only go 2 ways. Dorn is enlightened by Alpharius or Dorn is killed by Alpharius. And in his arrogance he did not plan for it to go any other way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4594667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Many primarchs are dead... hopefully one day AL players will get over it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4595127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Many primarchs are dead... hopefully one day AL players will get over it. It's a fluff change however you dress it up or try to say otherwise and It was a rather ignoble death, and very brutal and blunt for a very tricksy primarch. There's a whole fan Base going to want to discuss the myriad possibilities (see thread) so if you don't want to join in other than repeatedly saying but he's dead though, you're probably better off staying away from it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4595163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Well we can make a case for any dead primarch for the same reasons you give though... just saying . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4595238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Many primarchs are dead... hopefully one day AL players will get over it. It's a fluff change however you dress it up or try to say otherwise and It was a rather ignoble death, and very brutal and blunt for a very tricksy primarch. There's a whole fan Base going to want to discuss the myriad possibilities (see thread) so if you don't want to join in other than repeatedly saying but he's dead though, you're probably better off staying away from it. But it really isn't a fluff change. Before the series there was one Alpharius. The series made two. That was a fluff change. Now it's back to one. That's a fluff reset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4595240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slitth Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Many primarchs are dead... hopefully one day AL players will get over it.It's a fluff change however you dress it up or try to say otherwise and It was a rather ignoble death, and very brutal and blunt for a very tricksy primarch. There's a whole fan Base going to want to discuss the myriad possibilities (see thread) so if you don't want to join in other than repeatedly saying but he's dead though, you're probably better off staying away from it. I do not see it as an ignoble death. He was killed by an equal. It is in the nature of the Alpha legion to play a high risk game. It show how good they are at planning and controlling the battle. Something that Alpharius shows in getting in to the imperial palace at a time where is best defended. And then getting out and all the way to Hydra. That a impressive show of skill and control. But to do with a primarch is a show of arrogance that is unneeded. The same thing could be done with a normal Astartes. And Alpharius was not lured into that room by Rogal Dorn Rogal Dorn was lured by Alpharius Alpharius died because he need 3+ to win and role a double one at the critical moment And that could be avoided if he had taken his time to kill Archamus. But no. Alpharius believed he had everything in control and did not need to kill Archamus. A small mistake in a good plane that cost him every thing. That much better to be killed suddenly and brutal because of your one mistake, than to lose because he is the "weakest" of the 20. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4603658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I've been on a reading frenzy to catch up (Pharos, MoM, and PoH) and had forgotten I missed this one! >.< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4603669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Archamus definitely was the difference in the battle, otherwise his whole story arc is pointless, and it would fundamentally change two Primarchs' nature (the sneaky smart Primarch is actually retarded and the stern straightforward one is actually Machiavelli). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4603866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirbeau Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Their symbol of the hydra has three heads. Do wonder if the BL team would pass on an opportunity for symbolism like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4603897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Their symbol of the hydra has three heads. Do wonder if the BL team would pass on an opportunity for symbolism like that. My interpretation is not that the "Sigma" head of the Hydra is Silonius as much as it is the mathematical Sigma for sum (as in "we are all Alpharius") or the biological shorthand for synthesis ("lol we made a new Alpharius goodby see you at Eskrador") Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4603914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Archamus definitely was the difference in the battle, otherwise his whole story arc is pointless, and it would fundamentally change two Primarchs' nature (the sneaky smart Primarch is actually retarded and the stern straightforward one is actually Machiavelli). Pretty sure French deliberately inserted Archamus so that disgruntled Alpharius fans could have a comeback ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4605197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I think it serves to exemplify the duty of the Huscarls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4605210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen11 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 So why is alpharious using his insta kill special pale spear, which actually fails to kill anyone even when it pierces one heart? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325054-praetorian-of-dorn-spoilers/page/9/#findComment-4605251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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