Cadmus Tyro Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Hi all, Trying to decide how to finish my 3000 points of iron hands, I am torn between the long range support of the Deredeo or the brutality of the Leviathan. Which list would you go for? List 1 (Deredeo): LoW - Ferrus Manus - 455 HQ - Siege breaker consul, power glove, volkite charger, artificer armour - 135 Troops - tactical squad x10, rhino, melta bomb - 165 Troops - x10 breachers, combi melta, x2 melta guns, breaching charge, landraider proteus, armoured ceramite, multimelta - 465 Elites - 10 tartaros terminators, x7 power gloves, chainfist, x2 plasma blasters, Spartan, armoured ceramite - 725 Elites - x2 cortus contemptors x4 grav guns - 330 Elites - x2 castellax x1 flamer 215 Heavy support - Deredeo, aiolos - 220 Heavy support - x10 marines, autocannons, augery scanner 290 Or List 2 (leviathan): LoW - Ferrus Manus - 455 HQ - Forge Lord consul, thunder hammer, rad grenades, cortex controller 135 Troops - tactical squad x15, melta bomb - 180 Troops - x10 breachers, combi melta, x2 melta guns, breaching charge, landraider proteus, multi melta armoured ceramite - 465 Elites - 10 tartaros terminators, x7 power gloves, chainfist, x2 plasma blasters, Spartan, armoured ceramite - 725 Elites - x2 cortus contemptors x4 grav guns - 330 Elites - x2 castellax x1 flamer 215 Heavy support - leviathan, grav flux, siege drill, armoured ceramite, phosphex 330 Heavy support - x5 marines, autocannons, augery scanner 165 Which list has more synergy? Cadmus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teun135 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Leviathans are a big threat, and a big target. If you dont' have a way to get him downrange (i.e. drop pod) then you are probably better off going with the alternative. Though Leviathans just seem more Iron Hands to me :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/#findComment-4482750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Leviathans are a big threat, and a big target. If you dont' have a way to get him downrange (i.e. drop pod) then you are probably better off going with the alternative. Though Leviathans just seem more Iron Hands to me :P Fair point! I play on an urban board with reasonably dense terrain, so walking doesn't worry me too much. They are very iron hands, and ferrus + RoW make him a little more survivable. The prospect of deleting a unit with phosphex is quite appealing.... Anyone favour the Deredeo list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/#findComment-4482978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Do you have much air support in your meta?. If yes dreadaeo if no leviathan. I generally take both in 3k games Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/#findComment-4483970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 Do you have much air support in your meta?. If yes dreadaeo if no leviathan. I generally take both in 3k games I'm not a big gamer really, I enjoy the odd casual game but I am yet to find a heresy focused group in the West Midlands. My list has slowly grown over several years and is possibly not the most competitive due to that! I play against a couple of lists with flyers, so the Deredeo adds more utility in that regard. I think I prefer the looks of the Deredeo in general, and it leaves more space in the list to maximise the heavy support squad. Anyone have some good experience with the Deredeo? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/#findComment-4484024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I've run my dreadaeo last few games as my club has a few fireraptors. Both times the fire raptors arrive. Both times they crash and burn after he puts holes through them. I used the autocannon battery first time and the new lascamnon battery second go(just a play test) got to say. Love the lascannons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/#findComment-4484322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 I've run my dreadaeo last few games as my club has a few fireraptors. Both times the fire raptors arrive. Both times they crash and burn after he puts holes through them. I used the autocannon battery first time and the new lascamnon battery second go(just a play test) got to say. Love the lascannons The lascannons look awesome, do they push the Deredeo further down the line of anti-vehicle though? At least with the autocannons they can turn their attention to infantry if necessary. Are they worth the cost increase? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/#findComment-4484745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Well after I dealt with the raptor he had fun with a raider and a contemptor. Think it's worth it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325249-leviathan-vs-deredeo/#findComment-4484764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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