Facing Ordo Reductor with Salamanders

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Advice? I've never seen let alone played a reductor force, so no idea what to expect other then the medusa which I've faced an alpha legion phosphex one.
Here is the list he said he would be takign, pretty much all of it goes over my head.

Archmagos Reductor Gulvaan, two power fists (one master crafted), cyber familiar, rad grenades, cortex controller, 2 cyber occulari, phosphex bomb, phased-plasma fusil, machinator array, abeyant, djinn-skein

Magos Prime Bogd, cyber familiar, ordinator, photon thruster (master crafted), jet pack, power fist, rad grenades

Thallax Cohort, Melta bombs, heavy chainblades, destructor, multi-melta

Thallax cohort, melta bombs, heavy chainblades, destructor, phased-plasma fusil

4 Vorax, bio-corrosive rounds, frag grenades, 1 irrad-cleanser

Artillery tank, medusa, siege plating , machine spirit, auxiliary drive, dozer blade, 2 heavy bolters

Using Matrix of Ruin force org chart

Here is the list I'm thinking of taking, it's with the old books atm, I will update it when I can borrow the newer ones for the game, I don't really want to talior, more as I have no idea at all about the abilities and stats of the ordo reductor I don't want to bring some thing and find it is useless.

Preator Jethro Ubaid with Master crafted Paragon blade, plasma pistol,Iron halo and mantle of the elder drake

Legion Dreadnought with plasma cannon

Firedrake squad 2 chain fists, 2 power fists, heavy flamer and 5 shields in a land raider dedicated transport

Legion tactical squad Ubaid Artificer armour and Master crafted power fist
Legion Tactical squad Tell Brak Artificer armour power axe (I'm thinking maybe a maul instead?)
2 Legion Land speeders with a multi melta each
Legion Whirlwind Scorpius

1500pts

I do have some other models, so a flamer support squad, a plasma one, some apothecaries, las and plasma cannon heavy support squads and variety of heroes and sergeants so can change some bits around.
And I don't have the money for a spartan before it's mentioned

Edit: preator would be going with one of the tactical squads, not sure which and it is using the covenant of fire.

[Charlo]

Firstly - probably should have posted this into the Salamander's thread buddy ;) but no matter, I'm sure one of our gracious mods will move it sooooon!

 

As for that Mechanicum list, basically he's going to be very mobile and shoot you a lot! The Archmagos will be a total monster, but can bite the dust from a good Paragon blade swing. I'm not sure where he will be either as if he joins the Thrallax they will be slowed as he cannot get a jet pack.

 

Where is your Preator going? Currently he will be solo as there is no space in any of the tanks you have.

 

I think the Scorpius will be wasted here, as it wont be getting many hits and his units are so tough you won't be instant Death-ing anything, maybe go with a plasma cannon squad or something to rip through him a little easier... Or even just the plas guns.

 

With the new book you've probably got a fair few points spare as well.

 

Are you running a rite of war? If not I suggest the covenant of fire - that way you can get some nice upgrades to your transports... But it would mean that you require more troops as you can't have more HS + FA than troops...

 

Alternatively you could run pride of the legion. Sniper/ outflank veterans with sniping weapons will really help against the tougher Vorax/ Thrallax :)

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I put in the general area as any advice would be appreciated :P
There are no transports for the tactical squads :P 

I take it the mechanicum stuff if higher then Toughness 4 then? In that case depending on the points spare I may drop the scorpius for either a plasma gun or cannon support squad with apothecary.
Should I try and fit in more consols/centurions to help with leadership for the tactical squad?
even a flamer support squad could be good due to the S5 flamers (unless that's changed in the new books).

[Charlo]

The Thrallax are T5 with a 4+ save and 3 wounds.

 

The Vorax are T6 with a 4+ save and 3 wounds.

 

I'd really (if you can) read up on the Mechanicum as they are a very weird and strange foe to the norm!

 

S5 Flamers may do pretty well, but then again you wont be getting many hits overall probably.

[God-Potato of Mankind]

Awash them in the glory of the Pyroclasts?

 

They are very survivable, with a 5++ against the best weaponsto counter them and you can add FNP via an apothecary or rad grenades via a technmarine. fire them as meltas to cut right through the saves. Perhaps add a MoS for BS5.

[helterskelter]

Techmarine don't have independent character, forge Lords on the other hand...

All those 4+ saves a dual kheres contemptor could have some fun, autocannon/heavy bolters/heavy flamers/mauls all find themselves a happy little home too potentially

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I really, really wish I had Pyoclasts :P
Would anyone be able to give me a rough ball park estimate on how points I'd be saving when I switch to the new books? I will be able to access them on the day, but not sure if before so taking all my Salamanders to hopefully make the list there.
From what people have said, I'm thinking:
A) Drop the scorpius and replace it with a plasma cannon support squad
B) Whilst I like to use my tacticals, I'm not sure what they are going to do here here other then be plasma phosphex bait and at the most I will have rhino (my old space wolf one due for stripping) so I am thinking of dropping all most all the wargear on them, except maybe a volkite charger on one sergeant and a power mace on the other.
C)if I have the points, I'm thinking maybe apothecaries for all squads or maybe a flamer support squad in a rhino? could be a good place to put the preator and gives them maybe one or two turns of protection (thank Obsidian Forged).
Could it be an idea to run the drakes on foot and use the land raider a a heavy support slot  and as a transport for a preator led flamer or flamer squad with close combat weapons? the 2+/3++ in theory could help them survive the shooting better then anything else, whilst I could then also mount up one of the tactical squads and try and rush the mechanicum units before they blow me apart.
I'm also thinking if I could find the points for it maybe a librarian Consol with force staff, plasma pistol and aritficer armour, hopefully to use force to instant death all the T5/6 in combat, or would a multie melta dread be a better option?

[Charlo]

Probably around 60-80 points, as tacticals got 25 cheaper and Land Raiders got 20 cheaper I think.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

So that and the stripping of the Tactical squads should give me enough take a 5 strong plasma cannon support squad and maybe an apothecary.
Where to put my Preator would then be an issue, so would a 8 strong flamer support squad with apothecary and preator in a rhino with heavy flamer, bolter or multie melta be a better bet? Plasma has much better range, strenght and blasts but could be vulnerable to the phosphex and leaves the preator on his own.
Maybe command squad?

[Charlo]

Command squad would be okay and between combat shields and FNP they may be a little better off. Really though the medusas can shoot both the Phosphex and the normal S10 AP2 shot so you aren't going to survive much bar the Preator anyway if it hits...

 

I think if you ran pride of the legon, you could outflank some Melta Vets to hopefully murder his artillery?

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I'm not sure, I've had bad luck with outflank.
Also I could use my scorpius as a rhino with multie melta, (opponents permision) so could drop a land speeder for that, saves me 15pts and protects a squad whilst having some damage potential.

It's just the question of trying to fit in some kind of firepower (plasma cannon support squad) or somewhere to take the preators, I have thought about a plasma support squad but not sure how good they would be against mechanicum due to the sheer number of wounds.

[Brofist]

Admech are high toughness, high wounds, but have medicore saves (marine saves for most of their units, even the tough ones, and 5++ invuln unless it's an HQ). Mass AP3 and AP4 fire will do a lot to hurt them. Reductor tends to bring tanks, so you'll also want a way to reliably deal with AV14.

[Caillum]

With the list your opponent has said he's running, I would mention to him that the Matrix of Ruin requires a minimum of 2 Heavy Support choices, and he only has 1. Illegal list! :P

 

Plasma cannons, Scorpius multi-launchers, and other Small Blast weapons won't do a whole lot against Thallax or Vorax, as they have a big base size. Heavy bolters, however, are a cheap, AP4, high rate-of-fire weapon. Heavy flamers, if you can get them close enough, will do even more!

 

With the no-Run restrictions on Covenant of Fire, I would ensure everything has a transport - Firedrakes in the Land Raider, Tacticals in Rhinos, Praetor and (Heavy) flamer squad in a Rhino, etc.