Canadian_F_H Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 So amongst the sea of to many ideas floating in my brain, the idea of scouring era black templars has taken root. While I'm only a fluff player really, I want to mostly use the 40k range of minis, essentially my already existing templars plus maybe the right stuff from HH2: heretic boogaloo (fingers crossed for mk3 tacticals, despoilers, and breachers)... resin is really out of my price range, but we shall see... Anyhow. I don't even know where to begin. What books would be relevent? Especially if I'm focusing on imperial fists and templars, no really way out there stuff, (see can't afford resin therefore don't need a book with 100 fw only tanks in it unless I need it for some other reason.) Also, where exactly are the zone mortalis rules? And what is the defference between attacker, defender and combatant? (Ah ha, you see I have battle scribe now) As for list building idk, I haven't even thought about points, but I like the idea visually of the following.. Legion tacticals with boltpistol and chainsword, (maybe also bolters, hmm) Breachers, (cmon those big shields with a templar cross!) Templar brethren, (well twist my arm why dontcha) Beyond that idk. What are the best assault vehicle options? Might have to home build one or ebay rescue something... obviously my beloved LRC doesn't come around for a few millenia... perhaps I'm stuck with rhinos and pods... not the end of the world I guess, except for the breachers. Idk. I need guidance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Ah, the Scouring era (or post-2nd Founding) Black Templars are my intended "30K" army, whenever I get around to it. Zone Mortalis rules from Forge World Zone Mortalis is a very interesting expansion that features combat within the confines of a building, structure, space fort, starship, etc. It changes your tactics and strategies as many of the units you commonly see on the tabletop can't be used. You're basically looking at an infantry game (with some exceptions). As for rules, I would just get The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List and The Horus Heresy Book Three - Extermination (the latter has the rules for the VIIth Legion, including the Templars and Sigismund. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4492632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 The Imperial Fists rules from extermination are outdated now, you'd be better off getting the legion astartes: age of darkness legions book, which has the newest rules for the Fists and all the 30k legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4492674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 The Imperial Fists rules from extermination are outdated now, you'd be better off getting the legion astartes: age of darkness legions book, which has the newest rules for the Fists and all the 30k legions. So this one then? https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Legions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4492979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Ah, yes. That's the one I skipped on my bookshelf (mostly because mine says "Isstvan Campaign Legions" and is black ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4492996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 It says I have to have The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List Is that appeased to be this one? https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Horus-heresy-legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Army-List Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Unfortunately all of the most useful assault vehicles are in resin, except for the Stormlord. Spartans, Kharybdis', Dreadclaws, Storm Eagles, and Assault rams are all resin or resin/plastic kits. If you want to use GW plastics you're stuck with the regular Landraider kit. Also if you plan on using regular drop pods with Imperial Fists you'll need to run the 'Orbital Assault' Rite of War, which is essentially an all drop pod/deep strike list. Having said that I'd love to see some Scouring era Templars. I've always had a soft spot for the Black Templars, and now that I've found a method for painting black armour that I'm relatively happy with they're even more tempting. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with :tu: Ps. the Zone Mortalis rules are a free download on the FW site :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 Somebody on the BT forum did some scouring era BT already... tons of mk3 boltpistol chainsword guys. They look fantastic, I'd do them a bit defferently. Now I have no issues with turning around and just using my 40k models for equivalent 30k units. Mk7 existed during the scouring and the IF had secured the bulk of it at mars. All or most of the vanilla 40k era tank patterns of rhino chassis etc existed during the heresy and scouring so that's justifiable as well. But I really do hope the next plastic HH release is mk3. The heavy frontal assault style just screams BT and I would love them for 30k and 40k alike! And from other threads you might have seen how I plan to use breacher models in 40k, so I'll get double milage out of them too... Fingers crossed and Emperor willing! So. Very little options with my restrictions assault vehicle wise... I suppose I'll roll with rhinos and or drop pods until I figure something else out. Accept any challenge no matter the odds! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Sounds good mate :tu: MkIII is my favourite armour Mk too, so I'm really hoping it features in the rumoured kit. Are you planing to play against other Heresy era armies or is it mostly the modelling side of the setting that attracts you? If you're not planing to play too many games of 30k, you might be better off with a regular 40k Black Templar list as it would give you a lot more flexibility as far as list building is concerned (for example in 30k you can't use regular drop pods unless you take a specific Rite of War, which in turn places some severe limitations on the unit choices that are available to you). Having said that, if you build a Zone Mortalis force you won't need to worry about transports or other vehicles as they don't really come in to the equation (except for dreadnoughts). Also check out 1d4chan for an accessible description of the general 30k units and rules as well as legion specific rules and Rites of War. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 I'm kind of all over the place. Really I'm looking for more modes of play with the same models. Hence why everything is 30k/40k applicable if possible... People play weird here, I've seen so many 30k/40k mash-up games it's rediculous, I think these people might think 30k is just a 40k suppliment. Lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 That sound great and it definitely offers you a lot more freedom. It's great to hear that people are happy to play 30k vs 40k games :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 Not just verses... they had 30k and 40k allied detachment on the same side... very strange group vs this Internet crowd.. they even said I could run 4th edition black templars and adjust points to match current comparable units... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Sounds like you've found a great group of gamers. If everyone is okay with with that type of home-ruled gaming and no one is abusing the freedoms it entails, that sounds like the perfect group to be playing with :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4493177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Thanks for the help guys, I have much to chew on. Still not 100% sure which books to get. I mean I understand i need THE HORUS HERESY LEGIONES ASTARTES: AGE OF DARKNESS LEGIONS but it says I need 'The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List', but I don't see a book of that title... So apprehensive and optimistic about the next HH box tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4494286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List is the updated version of LACAL and superseded it several months ago. I'm sure you could find the old one fairly cheap on eBay, but there are some pretty big rules changes in the new one. Basically, if you want to run Imperial Fists in the Heresy, you'll want those two books: Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List, which has the basic rules for the Space Marines of the Heresy, and Age of Darkness Legions, which basically has your equivalent of Chapter Tactics and special units for 13 Legions including the Imperial Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4494318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Sounds good and I hope we see you bring this from concept to reality. I'm a big fan of making your 30K work for 40K. Two armies for the price of one, so to speak. It's pretty workable as well. Legion veteran tacticals can be used as 40K tacticals and maybe phalanx wardens or Templars as vanguard veterans? Throw them all together to make Crusader squads. The Imperial Fists lend themselves to that sort of approach really well actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325562-scouring-templars/#findComment-4494329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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