Any mention of traitor VIth legion?

[depthcharge12]

Has there been any mention of traitor Vlyka Fenryka? Maybe an inner legion power struggle or mention in passing?

 

Wondering about allied traitor Vikings...:evil:

[Hrolf the Cunning]

Don't you dare, haven't you heard? They were the most loyal legion evaaaargh

In seriousness though I think it unlikely in any meaningful number given the insular nature of the VI legion and lack of comradeship with other legions. I can't find any mention of specific instances in the HH books, however BL have included the VIth legion in the the Outcasts Sons ROW so go for it if you want.

[Sol_Invictus]

There is a reference in one of the FW books to rumored traitor wolves. Can't remember which book off the top of my head though...

[depthcharge12]

I believe there were Skyrar's wolves but idk if they were heresy or nah.

 

I'm just thinks my of how lax Russ seemed towards open fomenting like the pack assigned to Dorn. They pretty much told Russ to his face that it'd be like watching paint dry.

 

I'd kinda want to expound on that with a different direction that leads to open rebellion. They spend too much time away from the main expedition body and possibly fighting alongside the XVIth legion since Terra, but went on with them instead of staying with Russ.

 

Maybe they break down psychologically like the Iron Warriors - becoming something that they resent.

[Hrolf the Cunning]

I can certainly see some of them developing a hero complex and being manipulated in such a way. Could be a cool way to show their fall. 

 

Edit: just to be clear, I'm talking about a small isolated group of VIth tacked onto another force could potentially be manipulated in this way. It's probably one of the more plausible methods by which I could see them taking the "Traitor" path. 

[depthcharge12]

Hmm I just feel that the VIth legion is actually pretty frictional except when under the thumb of Russ. They won't separate in large numbers, but to remove them from the Alpha would result in a new Alpha's agenda.

[1ncarnadine]

There is a reference in one of the FW books to rumored traitor wolves. Can't remember which book off the top of my head though...

 

You're 100% right and it's Book 4: Conquest, on page 19 in the last paragraph under "The Sundered and the Black" section. 

 

I've clearly paged through that book way, way too much..

[Canadian_F_H]

I'm just thinks my of how lax Russ seemed towards open fomenting like the pack assigned to Dorn. They pretty much told Russ to his face that it'd be like watching paint dry.

I would love to here more about this. Correct me if I'm wrong but the packs where monitoring for betrayal yes?

 

So was the watching paint dry, more about how they knew that Dorn would never betray the emperor so basically thank you for giving us a non-job to do. Or was it more of a comet on rogal dorn's style of war, command etc. That they thought would be boring?

 

View of one legion on another being interesting I suppose.

[Corswain]

Traitors, maybe not but I can see plenty of Wolves becoming Blackshields.

[depthcharge12]

 

I'm just thinks my of how lax Russ seemed towards open fomenting like the pack assigned to Dorn. They pretty much told Russ to his face that it'd be like watching paint dry.

I would love to here more about this. Correct me if I'm wrong but the packs where monitoring for betrayal yes?

 

So was the watching paint dry, more about how they knew that Dorn would never betray the emperor so basically thank you for giving us a non-job to do. Or was it more of a comet on rogal dorn's style of war, command etc. That they thought would be boring?

 

View of one legion on another being interesting I suppose.

It's Howl of the Hearthworld by your local friendly everyday ADB :)

 

It was a comment toward how Dorn was super secret special totally not betray the Emperor. Like he was so steadfast that it would be boring and predictable to watch Dorn.

 

I feel that the VIth legion structure and culture would lend well toward "bands" or reaver companies that are so loved on the traitor's side. I see the wolves as being very loyal to a charismatic leader on whatever level that may be and damning the rest. It's their blessing and curse at the same time.

[DarKnight]

 

I'm just thinks my of how lax Russ seemed towards open fomenting like the pack assigned to Dorn. They pretty much told Russ to his face that it'd be like watching paint dry.

I would love to here more about this. Correct me if I'm wrong but the packs where monitoring for betrayal yes?

So was the watching paint dry, more about how they knew that Dorn would never betray the emperor so basically thank you for giving us a non-job to do. Or was it more of a comet on rogal dorn's style of war, command etc. That they thought would be boring?

View of one legion on another being interesting I suppose.

This is prior to Istvaan, but after the Edict when the Wolves were on their way to Prospero & Russ received his orders from Horus to kill Magnus instead of arrest. So the pack sent to guard Dorn for sorcery expected to see absolutely no action for the foreseeable future when in actuality they're present for the most important battle in the history of humanity when the bulk of the VI won't be.

[Canadian_F_H]

Interesting irony there.

[Hrolf the Cunning]

Was there any mention of them when Russ goes to Terra after Alaxes/ before Vengeful Spirit?

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Plenty of pups have gone to the dark side... It happens.

[Marshal Loss]

There's also a vehicle strongly hinted to be from a Great Company of Traitor Space Wolves in IA13 - a Fellblade of the 'Dark Wolves'. Could be a link to the reference in Book 4: Conquest - quite plausible considering there are other links from Conquest to vehicles/Legions present in IA13. There was some lore related to Khorne tainted Space Wolves in some old WD's a few years back too, one of Christian Byrne's armies. Precedents definitely exist.

 

But yeah Traitor Space Wolves definitely exist in some capacity. There might be some hints/explanation in Inferno or it could just remain unsubstantiated rumour

[Soldier of Dorn]

There's also a vehicle strongly hinted to be from a Great Company of Traitor Space Wolves in IA13 - a Fellblade of the 'Dark Wolves'. Could be a link to the reference in Book 4: Conquest - quite plausible considering there are other links from Conquest to vehicles/Legions present in IA13. There was some lore related to Khorne tainted Space Wolves in some old WD's a few years back too, one of Christian Byrne's armies. Precedents definitely exist.

 

But yeah Traitor Space Wolves definitely exist in some capacity. There might be some hints/explanation in Inferno or it could just remain unsubstantiated rumour

 

It's a reference to a color plate from the 4th Ed Codex: Chaos Space Marines of a Marine from a warband called 'Skyrar's Dark Wolves' that has never really been expanded upon (until IA13, of course.) But definitely, there's precedent for possible Traitor Vlka. I mean, just look at Svane Vulfbad!

[Wolf Lord Loki]

In prospero burns some of the Wolves talk to Hawser about how they would rather be at the naming of Horus as warmaster.

 

Mostly they respect him as a great warrior but i could see small numbers following horus for similar reasons, like the Scars in their little civil war

[Guest Drekkan]

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cup_of_Wulfen

 

No more space wolves traitors anymore.

[Marshal Loss]

 

There's also a vehicle strongly hinted to be from a Great Company of Traitor Space Wolves in IA13 - a Fellblade of the 'Dark Wolves'. Could be a link to the reference in Book 4: Conquest - quite plausible considering there are other links from Conquest to vehicles/Legions present in IA13. There was some lore related to Khorne tainted Space Wolves in some old WD's a few years back too, one of Christian Byrne's armies. Precedents definitely exist.

 

But yeah Traitor Space Wolves definitely exist in some capacity. There might be some hints/explanation in Inferno or it could just remain unsubstantiated rumour

 

It's a reference to a color plate from the 4th Ed Codex: Chaos Space Marines of a Marine from a warband called 'Skyrar's Dark Wolves' that has never really been expanded upon (until IA13, of course.) But definitely, there's precedent for possible Traitor Vlka. I mean, just look at Svane Vulfbad!

 

 

Ew 4th edition CSM

 

The scheme originates there yeah, but the lore links IA13 to Conquest. Same description and given the other links put in there simultaneously it's pretty obvious

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

 

There's also a vehicle strongly hinted to be from a Great Company of Traitor Space Wolves in IA13 - a Fellblade of the 'Dark Wolves'. Could be a link to the reference in Book 4: Conquest - quite plausible considering there are other links from Conquest to vehicles/Legions present in IA13. There was some lore related to Khorne tainted Space Wolves in some old WD's a few years back too, one of Christian Byrne's armies. Precedents definitely exist.

 

But yeah Traitor Space Wolves definitely exist in some capacity. There might be some hints/explanation in Inferno or it could just remain unsubstantiated rumour

 

It's a reference to a color plate from the 4th Ed Codex: Chaos Space Marines of a Marine from a warband called 'Skyrar's Dark Wolves' that has never really been expanded upon (until IA13, of course.) But definitely, there's precedent for possible Traitor Vlka. I mean, just look at Svane Vulfbad!

 

 

Ew 4th edition CSM

 

The scheme originates there yeah, but the lore links IA13 to Conquest. Same description and given the other links put in there simultaneously it's pretty obvious

 

No it really isn't. IA13 gives no indication that Skyrar's Dark Wolves have been extant since the Heresy. Having a Fell Blade is not evidence of being Heresy era Traitors. Especially as the Chaos Fell Blade flavour text notes the 'countless battles' warbands have fought for the possession of the tanks.

 

Do Traitor SW exist? Yes, that's never been in dispute. Do Heresy era, VI Legion, Traitors exist? Imo they shouldn't (insert rant about how 'Every Legion had Loyalists and Traitors' being the stupidest addition to the fluff FW ever inflicted in us), and the only evidence for them thus far is that one sentence from Conquest.

[Sol_Invictus]

 

 

 

There's also a vehicle strongly hinted to be from a Great Company of Traitor Space Wolves in IA13 - a Fellblade of the 'Dark Wolves'. Could be a link to the reference in Book 4: Conquest - quite plausible considering there are other links from Conquest to vehicles/Legions present in IA13. There was some lore related to Khorne tainted Space Wolves in some old WD's a few years back too, one of Christian Byrne's armies. Precedents definitely exist.

 

But yeah Traitor Space Wolves definitely exist in some capacity. There might be some hints/explanation in Inferno or it could just remain unsubstantiated rumour

 

It's a reference to a color plate from the 4th Ed Codex: Chaos Space Marines of a Marine from a warband called 'Skyrar's Dark Wolves' that has never really been expanded upon (until IA13, of course.) But definitely, there's precedent for possible Traitor Vlka. I mean, just look at Svane Vulfbad!

 

 

Ew 4th edition CSM

 

The scheme originates there yeah, but the lore links IA13 to Conquest. Same description and given the other links put in there simultaneously it's pretty obvious

 

No it really isn't. IA13 gives no indication that Skyrar's Dark Wolves have been extant since the Heresy. Having a Fell Blade is not evidence of being Heresy era Traitors. Especially as the Chaos Fell Blade flavour text notes the 'countless battles' warbands have fought for the possession of the tanks.

 

Do Traitor SW exist? Yes, that's never been in dispute. Do Heresy era, VI Legion, Traitors exist? Imo they shouldn't (insert rant about how 'Every Legion had Loyalists and Traitors' being the stupidest addition to the fluff FW ever inflicted in us), and the only evidence for them thus far is that one sentence from Conquest.

 

 

I knew one of the books mentioned the traitor wolves. :) Do you have the page number in Conquest?

[Soldier of Dorn]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's also a vehicle strongly hinted to be from a Great Company of Traitor Space Wolves in IA13 - a Fellblade of the 'Dark Wolves'. Could be a link to the reference in Book 4: Conquest - quite plausible considering there are other links from Conquest to vehicles/Legions present in IA13. There was some lore related to Khorne tainted Space Wolves in some old WD's a few years back too, one of Christian Byrne's armies. Precedents definitely exist.

 

But yeah Traitor Space Wolves definitely exist in some capacity. There might be some hints/explanation in Inferno or it could just remain unsubstantiated rumour

It's a reference to a color plate from the 4th Ed Codex: Chaos Space Marines of a Marine from a warband called 'Skyrar's Dark Wolves' that has never really been expanded upon (until IA13, of course.) But definitely, there's precedent for possible Traitor Vlka. I mean, just look at Svane Vulfbad!

Ew 4th edition CSM

 

The scheme originates there yeah, but the lore links IA13 to Conquest. Same description and given the other links put in there simultaneously it's pretty obvious

No it really isn't. IA13 gives no indication that Skyrar's Dark Wolves have been extant since the Heresy. Having a Fell Blade is not evidence of being Heresy era Traitors. Especially as the Chaos Fell Blade flavour text notes the 'countless battles' warbands have fought for the possession of the tanks.

 

Do Traitor SW exist? Yes, that's never been in dispute. Do Heresy era, VI Legion, Traitors exist? Imo they shouldn't (insert rant about how 'Every Legion had Loyalists and Traitors' being the stupidest addition to the fluff FW ever inflicted in us), and the only evidence for them thus far is that one sentence from Conquest.

I knew one of the books mentioned the traitor wolves. :) Do you have the page number in Conquest?

Pg. 19

[1ncarnadine]

 

the only evidence for them thus far is that one sentence from Conquest.

 

 

Well, and the Skyrar's Dark Wolves color scheme in IA13 is the same flatter Legion grey of the Wolves in this period. And their symbol is a red wolf head much like the one FW has the Wolves wearing in the Heresy now. It's a pretty strong visual link.

[Baluc]

 

 

the only evidence for them thus far is that one sentence from Conquest.

 

 

Well, and the Skyrar's Dark Wolves color scheme in IA13 is the same flatter Legion grey of the Wolves in this period. And their symbol is a red wolf head much like the one FW has the Wolves wearing in the Heresy now. It's a pretty strong visual link.

 

 

Skyrar's Dark wolves were captured and corrupted by Huron blackheart. No 30k connection.

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

 

the only evidence for them thus far is that one sentence from Conquest.

 

 

Well, and the Skyrar's Dark Wolves color scheme in IA13 is the same flatter Legion grey of the Wolves in this period. And their symbol is a red wolf head much like the one FW has the Wolves wearing in the Heresy now. It's a pretty strong visual link.

 

Not really, as the Wolves head is a pretty common symbol. Especially as the company can't seem to decide about Wolves colour or iconography colour anyway.

 

For example. here we have 30k era wolves with red wolf heads, but a blue-grey armour colour which, although darker than the Eavy Metal scheme, is still distinct from the flat grey of the dark Wolves.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325090-the-new-hh-box-highly-likely-to-be-prospero-happy/page-13

 

The here we have a mix of red and black Legion symbols on the transfer sheet, and a sample model with armour a shade of grey pretty close to the Dark Wolves:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/FW-Space-Wolves-Transfer-Sheet

 

The we have this MKIV Marine, wearing Ragnar's company colours, but used to advertise HH products, and his armour's far closer to the Dark Wolves than the Eavy Metal pale blue scheme:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Wolves-Task-Force

 

My point being, using armour colour and iconography to link the Dark Wolves with the VI Legion doesn't work, unless you're already convinced the link's there imo. There's just too much uncertainty and inconsistency when it comes to the 'proper' colours to consider that a 'strong' link. Far more likely the Dark Wolves are one of the Great Companies that have been 'recanted their oaths of fealty' in the 10,000 year history of the Space Wolves Chapter.

 

 

 

Skyrar's Dark wolves were captured and corrupted by Huron blackheart. No 30k connection.

 

While I wish it were this simple to debunk, I'm afraid not. The Dark Wolves are different traitors to those who joined Huron when he took the Wolf of Fenris. According to IA13, the Dark Wolves are extant in M38, long before Huron turns and creates the Red Corsairs.