Taliesin Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So Corax goes up for order on Saturday. http://www.blacklibrary.com/the-horus-heresy-teaser.html Contents: This anthology contains all of Gav Thorpe’s tales of the Raven Guard in the Horus Heresy – the novellas Soulforge and Ravenlord, along with the short stories ‘The Shadowmasters’, ‘The Value of Fear’ and ‘Raptor’. Also included is the brand new novella Weregeld, bringing Corax’s legend to its grim conclusion. Might pick a copy up at the European Day if they have it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 gav thorpe signing copies at WHW on saturday, but i think i'll just stick to digital as i only need the 1 new story Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So - people who bought stuff separately will have only 100 new pages (Weregeld) to read from all this tome - sad At least I hope it will provide a good closure for Corax story Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 It's still Gav's pen, so that's unlikely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The novellas were much better than Deliverance Lost, so I'm hopeful. Gav's been setting up a few things since DL, and Weregeld will draw upon all of them and other Heresy aspects and end the Raven Guard's plotline pre-Terra, so I'm hopeful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So - people who bought stuff separately will have only 100 new pages (Weregeld) to read from all this tome - sad :( At least I hope it will provide a good closure for Corax story Not sad, means I get to reread the RG arc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 I've not read a single story yet, so for me it's 100 % new material. Once again I am glad they are doing collections as well. Question is, is it good? Weregeld in itself sounds interesting but I am not sure about the other two novellas and the shorts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 They're pretty good. Way better than Deliverance Lost if we're making direct comparisons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Angels of Caliban was a step up from Deliverance Lost ...but I feel that even Gav's best works are markedly inferior to anything by ADB, Wraight, Abnett, French...even Haley or Annandale Something about Gav's prose is very bland Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I loved his Last Chancers, and Angels of Darkness is fantastic. Everything else...meh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Didn't read Last Chancers or Angels of Darkness I tried slogging through Angels of Caliban I am someone who should really enjoy reading about the Lion absolutely destroying Curze in single combat Frankly...I was quite disappointed by the lacklustre prose of the whole drawn out affair ADB's short description of the aftermath following a brutal clash between Knight Lord and Night Haunter...(Curze clutching at his ruined throat, a tired Lion urging his opponent to fall, Curze finally toppling, the Lion saluting a fallen foe)...was so much more evocative In AoC, the fight got a bit silly...with Curze turning into a something of an exaggerated cartoon villain Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 So - people who bought stuff separately will have only 100 new pages (Weregeld) to read from all this tome - sad :( At least I hope it will provide a good closure for Corax story See this is an example of BL being damned if they do and damned if they don't. When they package up novellas and/or shorts and/or prose versions of audios into anthologies with no new material people moan there is no new material. When they include something new people moan there is only a little bit of new material and lots of stuff they already bought so it is a rip off! Peronally I took the decision to not buy standalone shorts or novellas. I have bought a handful of audios but appreciate having a prose version. So for me the recent anthologies have been a great and cost effective way for me to catch up (or more accurately will be once released in MMPB as I also refuse to buy the Hardbacks and hate Trade Paperbacks) and Corax will be a must purchase as I don't have any of the novellas so this collects them nicely together. Perhaps the only "fair" thing BL could do is simultaneously release Weregeld as a separate novellas alongside Corax as a collection. Of course then people would complain that they still have to buy Corax if they want to have their numbered collection intact! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4515978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 So - people who bought stuff separately will have only 100 new pages (Weregeld) to read from all this tome - sad At least I hope it will provide a good closure for Corax story See this is an example of BL being damned if they do and damned if they don't. When they package up novellas and/or shorts and/or prose versions of audios into anthologies with no new material people moan there is no new material. When they include something new people moan there is only a little bit of new material and lots of stuff they already bought so it is a rip off! Peronally I took the decision to not buy standalone shorts or novellas. I have bought a handful of audios but appreciate having a prose version. So for me the recent anthologies have been a great and cost effective way for me to catch up (or more accurately will be once released in MMPB as I also refuse to buy the Hardbacks and hate Trade Paperbacks) and Corax will be a must purchase as I don't have any of the novellas so this collects them nicely together. Perhaps the only "fair" thing BL could do is simultaneously release Weregeld as a separate novellas alongside Corax as a collection. Of course then people would complain that they still have to buy Corax if they want to have their numbered collection intact! i'm such a late purchaser of novels, novellas and collections that i find it pretty easy to make sure i don't double up. but does the BL release schedule really make it that difficult for readers to control their buying habits? oh, and screw numbered collections. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4516026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Angels of Caliban was a step up from Deliverance Lost ...but I feel that even Gav's best works are markedly inferior to anything by ADB, Wraight, Abnett, French...even Haley or Annandale Something about Gav's prose is very bland Indeed. And Corax novellas were not good to be truthful. First Corax HH stuff 'Raven's flight' audio was really amazing, but everything else after that - very blank, hard to read and not motivating to turn the pages. I loved his Last Chancers, and Angels of Darkness is fantastic. Everything else...meh. Last Chancers and Angels of Darkness as with McNeils 'Storm of Iron' were ace. That's usual with debut works - they in 80% of cases are much better than everything after that. So - people who bought stuff separately will have only 100 new pages (Weregeld) to read from all this tome - sad At least I hope it will provide a good closure for Corax story See this is an example of BL being damned if they do and damned if they don't. When they package up novellas and/or shorts and/or prose versions of audios into anthologies with no new material people moan there is no new material. When they include something new people moan there is only a little bit of new material and lots of stuff they already bought so it is a rip off! Peronally I took the decision to not buy standalone shorts or novellas. I have bought a handful of audios but appreciate having a prose version. So for me the recent anthologies have been a great and cost effective way for me to catch up (or more accurately will be once released in MMPB as I also refuse to buy the Hardbacks and hate Trade Paperbacks) and Corax will be a must purchase as I don't have any of the novellas so this collects them nicely together. Perhaps the only "fair" thing BL could do is simultaneously release Weregeld as a separate novellas alongside Corax as a collection. Of course then people would complain that they still have to buy Corax if they want to have their numbered collection intact! You could only dream. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4516313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuittzz Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 With this bringing Corax and the RG up to the Siege of Terra, I've seen plenty of speculation on what parts other legions will play at the siege yet very little on the RG. So what do people think will happen? What I would love to see is that the old lore of Horus lowering his shields to bait the Emperor or due to some moment of regret was actually some sort of RG strike team that infiltrates the Vengeful Spirit and cripples the shield generators allowing for the Emperor's last assault. Would be a lovely ending or am I hoping for too much :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4516661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I reckon we could see the raven guard making swift attacks on outlying parts of the main traitor fleets as they head to Terra, and attacking reinforcements and supply convoys when the siege is taking place, trying to chip away at the traitors numbers. I doubt we will see the main force of raven guard actually taking part in the battle in the solar system or on Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4516674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Not that there are many Raven Guard left in the main force anyway. The Legion got decimated, so all they can really do is hit and run attacks at supply lines or vulnerable bits. Personally, I'd like the Raven Guard to have nothing at all to do with the lowering of the shields. I'd either like it to be a conscious decision by Horus himself, or a change of heart decision by Horus Aximand, for which he'll get whacked by big daddy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4516681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I am quite excited to see where Weregeld goes, especially following that reveal re the Space Wolves encounter! I know Gav has confirmed that this is now it as far as the Raven Guard are concerned re main plot but he did also confirm they will have appearances in other works as the Heresy continues, just not from his hand. I want to hear more of Russ and how he got into such a state... World Eaters, Emperors Children and... Thousand Sons??? At last recall i don't remember any work actually showing Magnus openly siding with Horus yet (maybe Aurelian & Betrayer at a push) so this must take place at quite a later date, maybe as the push on Terra is happening? Could be that Crimson King will help tie this one up re context. I may just have to try and get permission from the wife to pop on the motorway to WW and pick up the Hardback if time allows tomorrow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4516746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Weregeld's got a pretty long Dramatis Personae. Mostly Raven Guard and allies, but the Wolves that feature are known to us from as far back as Prospero Burns. I think I might actually go back and re-read the Raven Guard stories from the start before tackling Weregeld. According to the afterword, the arc from Corax was basically detailed at the outset of Soulforge/the end of Deliverance Lost, and has stayed consistent and flows into one another with its themes. Just reading Weregeld while its been months or years since I read the other stuff doesn't feel right to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4517315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izlude Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Also got the ebook. Saw something about free wallpaper if u get a hardcopy? Any clue? Not that it matters now since I got the ebook but would love a good PoD wallpaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4517326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I can't quite bring myself to buy this just for the novella (already have the others). Anyone who has it- worth getting just for that last story? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4518242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Yes. It has Corax trying to explain his tactics to a Dreadnought Iron Father, and an interesting take on the Iron Hand's philosophy. Also, The epilogue is truly tragic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4518288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Yes. It has Corax trying to explain his tactics to a Dreadnought Iron Father, and an interesting take on the Iron Hand's philosophy. Also, The epilogue is truly tragic. Mind adding more details for those of us who may not get it? Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4518517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Yes. It has Corax trying to explain his tactics to a Dreadnought Iron Father, and an interesting take on the Iron Hand's philosophy. Also, The epilogue is truly tragic. Mind adding more details for those of us who may not get it? Thanks! Well, regarding the ending... he kills Hef by choking him to death sometime after the Heresy/Scourging Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4518585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 That;s just inefficient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326287-corax-book-40/#findComment-4518602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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