PDF list

[calgar101]

Does any one know of any PDF army lists? My Google fu came up short. Always wanted to create and build a PDF for the world my regiments are from.

 

If not we could create rules for them. Mine would be organised along the lines of the British army and other modern armies; give it a more realistic feeling.

 

One idea I had was a battle tank called the Stalwart.

 

Front Armour 13

Side armour 12

Rear armour 11

 

Heavy autocannon would be it's primary weapon.

 

Range 48"

Strength 7

AP 5

Heavy 4

 

Secondary weapon;

 

Gatling gun

Range 24

Strength 4

AP 6

Heavy 6

Special rules: pinning.

 

To further thus idea I've been mulling over the rule for an artillery piece, the Empire rocket battery model would be the base and rules evolved from that.

 

Name would be Extremis Rocket Battery.

 

As with current artillery guns it's only stats are Toughness (7) and wounds (2)

 

It would be crewed by 2 personnel.

 

It has 2 firing modes; concentrated and burst.

 

Concentrated is Range 48" Strength 6 AP 4 Heavy 3

 

Burst fire is Range 24 strength 3 AP 6 Heavy 1 large blast.

 

A transport would be armoured truck.

 

Front Armour 11

Side armour 10

Rear armour 10

It would be open topped

Transport capacity of 20

Heavy stubber

No upgrades.

[WarriorFish]

A PDF can be anything, even equipped in a similar manner to a normal regiment - though this isn't usually the case. They're probably more likely to use their own equipment but again with the Guard you can do almost anything with the right justification

You'll need a points value for custom units as that's most of what makes the balance. Neither seem particularly powerful so I wouldn't price them too high.

[calgar101]

My PDF would be equivalent to any guard regiment in fighting capabilities. Most of them are former soldiers from when the planet was not only the Imperium or former soldiers from its recent conquest.

 

As for points I was struggling to work those out. My rough thoughts were

 

Stalwart 125.

Truck 70 this is due to its high transport numbers.

Extremis battery 75 per artillery piece.

 

I also have ideas for a howitzer unit and a large static siege gun. A possible flying unit is on the works.

This army isn't about cheese units, it's about creating something different and that fits in the background.

 

Infantry would work slightly different. There wild be fire units of 12 that can split into two teams of 6 one of the units can take a special weapon including a heavy stubber. I would have sergeants as upgrades with a better leadership value.

 

So many ideas.

[M@verik115]

PDF's are usually, but not always, worse than an Imperial guard regiment. 
Planets usually send their best recruits for Imperial guard duty, while the regular ones are expected to serve on the planet. 
Also a PDF will not be as well equipped as their IG counterpart as they can only muster vehicles and weapons produced on their planet. 
So if you want to make it fluffy, your regiment might only have access to lets say regular leman russ and chimeras, because that is what is produced on your planet or what was bought by the governor for the PDF regiements.
FINALLY, PDF regiments are never as well trained as IG due to hardly ever seeing any conflict, or battling local threats that do not test them in different tactics.

PDF's are designed to offer a planet at least some defense when they are attacked, and more often than not, just to buy time until other branches of the Imperium can react and reinforce the planet. 

So if you really want to play it fluffy, that is how you do it. 
But as always there are exceptions such as the Cadian PDF, which is as well trained and well equipped as any IG army in service. 

[steellegionnaire85]

Armageddon's PDF, is another exception. Armageddon produces all Leman Russ tanks and chimera variants. They are as well if not better equipped than those of Cadia. Also, Armageddon has nothing but hive cities full of hive gangs. The hive hangers are conscripted into service. They hand street weapons, and are skilled fighters. The PDF of Armageddon know every sewer and alley, skilled at the ambush. Not all PDFs are created equal.

[M@verik115]

Indeed, but that is an exception rather than a rule. 
For instance on planet XYZ generic alpha, the PDF could be so bad that all they are armed with are spears and slings they produce in their back yard. 

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

I've got to agree with what's been said so far. Worlds whose sole export is soldiers are going to have better PDF's, end of story. Worlds that are constantly under attack, or have a xenos infestation are going to have better PDF's, hands down.

 

That describes a hilariously few worlds in the broader Imperium. It's a common theme in Military Sci-Fi actually. If you're familiar with BattleTech at all, you'll know that planetary Militias are often woefully under-equipped when compared to the regional militias, and those are not as well equipped as the nation-states standing army.

 

More than likely, most PDF's are analogous to the US military's National Guard, though, not as well trained (the National Guard goes through the same basic training and specialty training as the US Army/Air Force). To my way of thinking the PDF would be part time, citizen soldiers. They grab their kit and mobilize for training or when needed, but that's not their sole purpose in life. Sure there may be full time PDF soldiers, but those would be rare.

 

I think that's the case on most imperial worlds. They can be as organized, or as rag-tag as you want. Unless you're going to have a Cadian/Armageddon/Catachan/Tallarn clone, you'd be better off making them such that they're strongest guys are average for the Imperial Guard.

[M@verik115]

Im actually considering getting some of these new genestealer cultists and their vehicles to run as an ally for my IG. 

Keeping with the fluff I will run only neophyte hybrid squads and goliath trucks as it will be a cell which has not activated yet and four armed cultists might be too suspicious so none of those. 

[LordCommissarPendragon]

I always looked at the PDF as basically, statwise, conscripts. This difference makes the IG look slightly better, although somehow normal Guard are supposed to be pretty badass for humans. Its just that the galaxy around them is filled with such horrors and of such strength that you could be one motherfathering bad dude and still get squished like the insignificance that you are. PDFs, therefore, get stomped all the time except for the rare cases.

[calgar101]

Thanks for all your replies and generally agree with what's been said. I would saye quite a few PDF regiments would be battle tested whether suppressing uprisings or fighting off raiders. My army list will be based around a background of world of mine, they will almost be equivalent to guard. They will lack a lot of the same equipment and that will be their biggest draw back.

 

The world of Artura is a relative recent addition to the Imperium, having been conquered by the Sopska regiments. Artura was rules by the Tyrant of Albia and it's military was quite substantial, having previously had to fight off Ork and human raiders.

The world has a population of 3 billion and is the same tech level as modern day earth, slightly ahead in sone areas. It's quite resource rich and has several penal mining colonies on its moons.

 

My list will represent the armies of Artura and be largely based around one for their Veteran regiments.

 

I would disagree that PDF regI mentioned would get stomped all the time. The galaxy is a huge place and Guard regiments cannot response quick enough to help beleaguered planets. I think they could hold their own for a time especially on planets used to constant warfare.

[Arkangilos]

I thought that the codices said that the Imperial Guard always say they are better and that they look down on the PDF despite that not actually being true a lot of times, and goes on to say that that is usually the case because the PDF will be the first line of defense, that they will often be alone in their war, etc.

 

Basically I see PDF as variable depending on the planet but generally just as well trained. After all, the planet that raises IG regiments are responsible for training them, so they have the same training as their PDF, they just get shipped off world to fight the wars.

 

Not to mention the Tithe was changed to one tenth of the military force of the world, so they would take one tenth of the PDF.

[calgar101]

As with everything there are variables. Some Guard regiments will be better than others. I would say PDF forces on world's near war zones and hot spots will be equal to any regiments but may lack lots of equipment.

My idea here is taking a recently conquered world and incorporating it's military into a PDF force.

[Arkangilos]

As with everything there are variables. Some Guard regiments will be better than others. I would say PDF forces on world's near war zones and hot spots will be equal to any regiments but may lack lots of equipment.

My idea here is taking a recently conquered world and incorporating it's military into a PDF force.

Oh no, I was agreeing with you if you thought I was debating.

On the thing with your PDF vehicles, one of the things my group uses are German Marder, but we use them as sentinel's basically.

[calgar101]

No I was just reinforcing the point ☺

Not sure what a German Marauder is, will look that up. I plan on using German Flak 88 models and writing rules for large weaponry. Love the look on those.

 

Also will be using German tank destroyers, really like the shape on the tanks. I'll just replace the barrel with a basilisk gun to make it more 40k.

[Arkangilos]

Whoops! I meant Marder >.<

[walter h]

The , Marder was a tank destroyer. Open topped very effective used from 1940, until wars end.

[calgar101]

I like tank destroyers.