Arik Taranis Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Here me out here, is it possible that the custodian who saw Horus killing the Emperor and then charged in and was himself killed was Valdor, this would tie up a lot of lose ends and explain why there is a new CG by the war of the beast. Also kind of poetic, Valdor beat Horus when he was younger, Horus killed Valdor, Emps goes crazy over the loss of his second closest "friend" and kills Horus. EDIT. Now no possibility of been considered spoilers or cannon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Maybe... we'll find out in another 20 years, when BL and FW actually cover the SoT. :P But seriously, it's a neat theory. Good thinking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I still think they'll by tying the Perpetual characters subplot into the ending. In the old Rogue Trader lore, the 'perpertual's (aka Sensei originaly) are thought to be the Emperors (real) Children, gifted with his eternal life... far more plausable for the Emperor to go bat :cuss: crazy witnessing Horus killing one of his real sons than a Custodian, afterall a Custodians soul duty is the safety of the Emperor, something they are all hardwired to lay down their life for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Wasn't it part of old fluff that some average joe guardsman was the one who valiantlay sacrificed himself, I remember hearing mention of It but could never pin down the source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Ollanius Pius will hold the line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Wasn't it part of old fluff that some average joe guardsman was the one who valiantlay sacrificed himself, I remember hearing mention of It but could never pin down the source. IIRC, it was in the old Visions of Heresy book. A lot (?) of the fluff therein has been changed since so I personally wouldn't call it a reliable source at this point. Also, when I saw the title of this post, my first reaction was "dude, spoilers!". :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Although the thought of a gallant Custodes coming to the Emperor's aid is a good thought, I'll always pick Ollanius Pius as the true martyr of the Imperium. It's not necessarily about the Emperor seeing someone he loved dying that made him decide that Horus had to be completely eradicated. Sanguinius was dead before the Emperor came into the room, and even then he was still trying to get Horus back onto the path of righteousness. It was when Ollanius Pius entered, and was slain so brutally by Horus that the Emperor realised that the son he once had was a changed man. No longer the charismatic fellow he made Warmaster, but a twisted parody who had taken the time away from battling the Emperor to kill Pius in the most animalistic and barbaric way possible, as if the man were a toy. It was this point when the Emperor realised Horus lay beyond salvation, and knew the only solution was Horus' death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I will hold to the theory that a lone guardsman, ie Ollanius Pius, charged in first and got death-murder-killed, followed by an astartes terminator and a custodes, both having witnessed the lone guardsmen and deciding they can't do any less a "mere" mortal. Edit: also, agree that it would tie up some loose ends if it is in fact Valdor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Also, when I saw the title of this post, my first reaction was "dude, spoilers!". My first thought as well. It was a bit "what the hell?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Not sure... I like the theory and something needs to happen to Valdor but I definitely think they're positioning Ollanius to be there. Personally, I'm calling Valdor commits suicide. Suitably grimdark. I'd definitely like to see Valdor fight a Primarch at Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4519963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Also, when I saw the title of this post, my first reaction was "dude, spoilers!". My first thought as well. It was a bit "what the hell?" Third. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arik Taranis Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 Whilst I would personally prefer it be old Ollanius that gets killed, I think even with him being a perpetual (which is b******t by the way) I think the idea of a mortal even an immortal one (best way I could think of describing perpetuals) being able to make it to Horus inner sanctum where terminators, custodians, and primarchs failed to reach is far fetched even by 40k standards. It's not necessarily about the Emperor seeing someone he loved dying that made him decide that Horus had to be completely eradicated. Sanguinius was dead before the Emperor came into the room, and even then he was still trying to get Horus back onto the path of righteousness. It was when Ollanius Pius entered, and was slain so brutally by Horus that the Emperor realised that the son he once had was a changed man. No longer the charismatic fellow he made Warmaster, but a twisted parody who had taken the time away from battling the Emperor to kill Pius in the most animalistic and barbaric way possible, as if the man were a toy. It was this point when the Emperor realised Horus lay beyond salvation, and knew the only solution was Horus' death. Agreed with that reasoning, still think it being Valdor has a sort a justice to it, but that may just be me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Here me out here, is it possible that the custodian who saw Horus killing the Emperor and then charged in and was himself killed was Valdor, this would tie up a lot of lose ends and explain why there is a new CG by the war of the beast. Also kind of poetic, Valdor beat Horus when he was younger, Horus killed Valdor, Emps goes crazy over the loss of his second closest "friend" and kills Horus. EDIT. Now no possibility of been considered spoilers or cannon For all we know Valdor could be Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I like the idea that Valdor is the Emperor's actual son. Though, I'm also a fan of the "Malcador is the Emperor's son" theory too. Ah hell, they can both be his son. Good theory though. Would make sense that Horus kills Sanguinius and the...well, Valdor is basically Primarch of the Custodes, right? I mean, they don't have gene-seed IIRC, but he is the original one, correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Did you know there is a theory Sanguinius kilt Horus in a fit of the Black Rage ? Then the Emperor had to put him down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Regarding the new Captain General of the custodes (and not having read The Beast series), there was some source where it was said that Valdor stepped down to personally guard the Emperor, if I recall correctly, though I might have read it in a forum or in some internet source so it might not be canon. I don't think Valdor would be the one to die aboard the Vengeful Spirit, as has been stated before, custodes are bodyguards after all, and as much as it would pain the Emperor to see him die, I don't think it could anger or convince him that Horus is beyond salvation to the point of obliterating him, unless he took a long time to torture Valdor in a really sadistic way. Black Orange, that would certainly be an unexpected twist O.O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Did you know there is a theory Sanguinius kilt Horus in a fit of the Black Rage ? Then the Emperor had to put him down. That's kinda cool! It would be a very, very interesting plot twist! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Did you know there is a theory Sanguinius kilt Horus in a fit of the Black Rage ? Then the Emperor had to put him down. This is my favorite thing I've read today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Did you know there is a theory Sanguinius kilt Horus in a fit of the Black Rage ? Then the Emperor had to put him down. This is my favorite thing I've read today. :D It's one of those things GW wouldn't really want you to know. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Is Valdor actually immortal? Can it not just be explained he got too old? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4520982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Valdor beat Horus when he was younger Valdor never beat Horus... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4521072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I believe all the Custodes were immortal, just like the Primarchs. Primarchs>Custodes>Astartes, in terms of genetic enhancement and abilities. Valdor being killed...maybe. I guess when we finally get to the Seige of Terra (I'm predicting 2017-18) we'll see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4521074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Valdor beat Horus when he was youngerValdor never beat Horus... They wrestled at some point IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4521304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Valdor beat Horus when he was youngerValdor never beat Horus... They wrestled at some point IIRC. What's the source on that? it's repeated a lot but I haven't seen anyone bring up where it was mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4521318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm pretty sure it's one of those weird myths that's popped up over the years. Never seen, read or heard of a source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326480-constantin-valdor-is-dead-theory/#findComment-4521326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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