Legacy Of Kain Theme Army.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

"Instruments of the Emperor's Blood Vengeance" may be a better name, if you wish to minimize the vampire cliche.

 

"Blood Templars" is also good, but it should be a nickname, and the Chapter should have a more formal one, the way "Knights Templar" is a nickname for the "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon". May I suggest "Warrior-Priests of the Temple of the Emperor's Blood" for the formal name, if you choose the "Blood Templars" nickname?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Hm. Actually, the world itself is probably not a night world but is more like a blotted sky filled with plumes from burning materials in order to block the sun. Not everywhere ,but in areas near the Chapter. That might be good as that could lead to rumors about Vampirism.

Make your world a feudal world, with the Fortress-Monastery bearing its only manufactory- the Chapter will certainly want a monopoly on high-tech weapons to maintain its rule over the planet, and will want to keep the Adeptus Mechanicus on its side, one way (via cooperation) or the other (via coercion). The plumes are simply a byproduct of the manufactory's functions- manufacturing weapons for the Chapter and its Marines- and not an intentional effort to blot out the sun. The Marines are not vampires, but they'll certainly take advantage of such local legends to make the planet's populace fear them, discouraging challenges to the Chapter's rule over the planet.

 

Local legends should also be managed. Why do vampires exist? Because God(s) created them- the Chaos Gods if your Chapter is renegade or traitor, the Emperor Himself if your Chapter is loyalist. Why did God(s) create vampires? To punish mortals for their sins. Your Marines present themselves not as monsters to be destroyed, but instruments of divine retribution; to challenge them is to challenge God(s), commit greater sins, and invite worse punishment.

[BrightStarNova]

Those seem like names that might be better fitting for cultists.

 

For the chapter I usually prefer 2 words in the name.

 

For example some names that I also considered might be:

 

Soul Reavers.

 

Blood Reavers.

 

Names with more than 2 words seem better suited for the names of inner circles, companies, and various groups more than the Chapter as a group.

 

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[BrightStarNova]

Hm. Well in Legacy Of Kain there are secret societies called the Glyph Rites where they make magical runes that provide utilities to buildings. So maybe a sort of group from Mars that builds and installs the utilities for the people. The knowledge wouldn't be forbidden, but most of the people would be wary. But some more inclined might try to join and learn.

 

I prefer them being benevolent rulers. I'm not sure but I considered them interacting with the population like the Salamanders even if the Salamanders aren't my favorite chapter.

 

Perhaps there might be some reason to the burning of materials. Such as it might keep away some sort of local predator such as how in the middle ages people would light bonfires to keep Wolves at bay.

 

The marines might be feared or respected but also considered to be the protectors.

 

There are many details that need refinement.

 

I sort of want them to have a darker theme like Vampires. But I also want them to be good guys. Both respected and feared simultaneously.

 

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[Bjorn Firewalker]

As noted, the long names are formal names, and short ones are nicknames. For "Instruments of the Emperor's Blood Vengeance", the nickname "Blood Reavers" is certainly acceptable (a weapon is an instrument, and the Soul Reaver is a weapon).

[BrightStarNova]

Yes. But there is a LONG history of doing that. Such as the Hammers Of Dorn, The Swords Of Rogal, and other chapters. Celestial Lions are another example.

 

Soul Reaver is a weapon but if adding a single letter to make that the Soul Reavers or Blood Reavers, that might be a good name such as in WarHammer there are the Illerian Reavers. I haven't decided upon a name.

 

They would still probably have close ties to their brother chapters.

 

In the Imperial Fists army I had years ago there was a Librarian named Animus Orbitus. Which translated to Soul Reaver, or Bereaver Of Souls.

 

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The idea for their paint scheme is in profile picture. That was the 4th idea in making that.

 

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[Bjorn Firewalker]

I thought a ridiculously long name would be more regal, as befits a knightly order. Space Marine Chapters are often presented as knightly orders, after all. Hell, go to Wikipedia's article on the Knights Templar, and see what their formal name is.

[BrightStarNova]

The Paint Scheme Idea Is Based On Kain's Armor From Blood Omen 1 On That.

 

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[Arkangilos]

I thought a ridiculously long name would be more regal, as befits a knightly order. Space Marine Chapters are often presented as knightly orders, after all. Hell, go to Wikipedia's article on the Knights Templar, and see what their formal name is.

Space Marines tend to have short formal names like Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, Black Templars, etc.

 

I can't think of any that have more than two.

[Kelborn]

Knights of the Raven

 

Just to mention one out of many. :)

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Assuming you consider "of", "the", and "a" words, Lexicanum lists Brotherhood of a Thousand, Guardians of the Covenant, Knights of the Raven (as Kelborn noted), Legion of the Damned, Scythes of the Emperor, and Sons of the Kraken among the loyalists with at least four words in their names; Black Brethren of Eyreas, Blood Legion of Khorne, Brotherhood of Unclean Mercy, Damned Company of Lord Caustos, Emissaries of the Wasting Death, Seven Sorcerers of Harka, Skull Takers of Hans Kho'ren, Sons of the Cyclops, Sons of the Eye, and Sons of the Forge among the traitors.

 

Warning: there's a Blood Angels descendant named the Templars of Blood ('Deathwatch: The Achilus Assault' is cited as a reference), so "Blood Templars" is out as your Chapter's name, unless you want to play as a Blood Angels descendant.

[Doctor Perils]

But of course you exclude the "the"s "of"s etc. Give us an example with three main words (be they nouns or adjectives) (also only counting chapter names-chaos warbands have more freedom) - in any case, sorry to put it like this, but emperor's blood vengeance sounds even worse than modern wolfy mc wolferson with iceyice murderaxe gw naming conventions

 

Two chapters can have similar sounding names, and it is even possible to have chapters with the same name. It probably is easier to step away from it, but it's not completely out either.

 

Now, unless you want piratical or plundering themes to this army, I'd steer away from "reavers" as it is quite a connotated word. Keeping away from obvious references to blood might also be a good idea.

 

Make your world a feudal world, with the Fortress-Monastery bearing its only manufactory- the Chapter will certainly want a monopoly on high-tech weapons to maintain its rule over the planet, and will want to keep the Adeptus Mechanicus on its side, one way (via cooperation) or the other (via coercion). The plumes are simply a byproduct of the manufactory's functions- manufacturing weapons for the Chapter and its Marines- and not an intentional effort to blot out the sun. The Marines are not vampires, but they'll certainly take advantage of such local legends to make the planet's populace fear them, discouraging challenges to the Chapter's rule over the planet.

 

Local legends should also be managed. Why do vampires exist? Because God(s) created them- the Chaos Gods if your Chapter is renegade or traitor, the Emperor Himself if your Chapter is loyalist. Why did God(s) create vampires? To punish mortals for their sins. Your Marines present themselves not as monsters to be destroyed, but instruments of divine retribution; to challenge them is to challenge God(s), commit greater sins, and invite worse punishment.

Give as many suggestions as you want, but don't force a fellow diyer to accept your ideas - I may be misunderstanding your intentions, but the use of the imperative and "should" make it sound like that.

 

Of note: manufactoria aren't controlled by the mechanicum generally, and the cult of mars won't actually care all that much for a single manufactorium on a backwater planet (to them all non-forge-worlds are backwater planets :P). In any case, unless a chapter has particularly good or bad relations with the adeptus mechanicus, that part is generally glossed over - we just suppose that relations are good enough to perform the chapters duties.

 

As bright star nova said, he hasn't decided if the chapter would have a hands on approach - it is therefore possible for the planet to have as many high grade weapons as they want (provided we're talking about autogun and laser technology). Also, manufactoria are just factories: they don't have to be weapons makers.

 

I for one like the idea of a less conventional home world, so steampunk elements in a medieval setting can be cool. Byproduct plumes of smoke sound like a good idea, if only because I can't think of a reason to burn stuff just to get smoke - you're not going to conceal a fortress with a bit of smoke after all...

 

When you say legends should be managed, do you mean described in the article, or that the chapter could control some of the myths? No. 1 definitely, and 2 sounds cool :)

Presenting the vampires as instruments of divine will is certainly an interesting concept, but I (personally) prefer my vampires a bit more somber - as the description stands it sounds awfully like angels

[Kelborn]

Can't he even use an already existing name?

 

I mean, we got two chapters which bore the name of Emperor's Swords from two different eras. He could use an extinguished chapter and re-use its name.

 

Or would that be problematic?

[Doctor Perils]

Can't he even use an already existing name?

 

I mean, we got two chapters which bore the name of Emperor's Swords from two different eras. He could use an extinguished chapter and re-use its name.

 

Or would that be problematic?

It's fine normally: different publications outright state that imperial records are so messed up It's even possible to have two chapters with the same name from the same founding.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

By "local legends should be managed," I mean the Chapter's Chaplains should approach the planet's Ministorum priests, and say, "This is what you should say about us. Make sure the heads of the families you preach to, say the same thing about us. If you disobey, we will punish you," to make sure the Marines are being presented in the appropriate light. It will be problematic if the locals decide the Marines are monsters that prey upon the innocent, and thus, the locals must unite to expel the Marines from the planet.

 

Can't he even use an already existing name?

 

I mean, we got two chapters which bore the name of Emperor's Swords from two different eras. He could use an extinguished chapter and re-use its name.

 

Or would that be problematic?

The possibility Games Workshop will put out new "fluff" (story details) that directly contradict BrightStarNova's proposal, is one reason to avoid reusing an existing name. What if Fantasy Flight Games' later publications state the Templars of Blood turned renegade, when BrightStarNova intends his "Blood Templars" to remain loyal to the Imperium- or vice versa?

[Arkangilos]

Yeah, "of, a, the" words clearly don't count in what I was talking about. Get real, guys. You knew exactly what I meant. :p

[Doctor Perils]

By "local legends should be managed," I mean the Chapter's Chaplains should approach the planet's Ministorum priests, and say, "This is what you should say about us. Make sure the heads of the families you preach to, say the same thing about us. If you disobey, we will punish you," to make sure the Marines are being presented in the appropriate light. It will be problematic if the locals decide the Marines are monsters that prey upon the innocent, and thus, the locals must unite to expel the Marines from the planet.

Well, considering that most chapters don't even mention that, even when you're talking about feudal worlds that know next to nothing of Space Marines, he doesn't need to mention it at all.

Also, I have to say that the exact opposite idea also sounds interesting - it would fit the Vampire theme quite well for the marines of the chapter to steal children in the night, so much so that one day the people of the planet directly rebel against their overlords, prompting the chapter to take a distance from the world and reducing their intake of aspirants so as not to be seen as a threat.

 

 

The possibility Games Workshop will put out new "fluff" (story details) that directly contradict BrightStarNova's proposal, is one reason to avoid reusing an existing name. What if Fantasy Flight Games' later publications state the Templars of Blood turned renegade, when BrightStarNova intends his "Blood Templars" to remain loyal to the Imperium- or vice versa?

That would be a problem if he were creating the Templars of Blood - however, we are talking about a different chapter, one that is fully DIY and doesn't rest in the least on canon Templars of Blood. Therefore, any change to the canon Templars of Blood has no bearing on BrightStarNova's creation - however, I'd still be partial to a more subtle name for the chapter.

[BrightStarNova]

Considered trying to give them glowing green purity seals as BLESSINGS. Good glow in the dark paint to get is tough. But I haven't actually tried leaving that to sit in the sun all day like the bottle said. *

[BrightStarNova]

I am almost certain they would or should be a loyalist chapter. But the Emperor's Children seems like a fun army even if that's a side project.

 

As for the army idea from this topic, I haven't begun painting them officially, but have experimented with a marine or so in various ways of painting them.

 

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[BrightStarNova]

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[BrightStarNova]

Blood Omen 1 and 2 . With mixes of the others. Mainly towards Blood Omen 2. So they would have random mutant monsters prowling the wilderness.

 

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[BrightStarNova]

Moving the other topic into this topic so as not to make too many topics about the topic.

 

So, I was trying to figure what gene seed to use and if they would be renegade or loyalist.

 

Leaning towards the loyalist. Most likely Imperial Fists or Blood Angels. The Gene Seed, not the rules.

 

Leaning towards Loyalist because of several examples.

 

The armor of The Nemesis, who was kain's 1st rival wore the armor almost identical to the Berserkers.

 

Kain HATES liars and traitors.

Kain values honor quite highly.

Kain originally had pledged allegiance to king Ottmar of Willendorf.

Kain values loyalty quite highly.

 

BUT as I said, I'm open to suggestion about Gene Seed founder heritage.

 

Also, The army is themed on the Vampire side. That would be Dark Angels without any doubt if there was a Sarafan themed army based on that series On That.

 

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[Fenrykus]

Dark Angels are monastic knights; it's the Blood Angels who are the vampires. With that being said, based on Kain's values, I would actually recommend the Dark Angels for the Gene-Seed.

[BrightStarNova]

I know the Blood Angels are the Vampires. But they don't have to be the only Vampire Chapter. The majority of what people associate with them about Vampires is from Ritual. So any other chapter could also do that in theory.

 

Dark Angels are cool but for some reason I don't think that fits. But they fit the Sarafan faction in that series quite perfectly,  and even the Name the Sarafan is almost like them.

 

I'm open to suggestion but heavily leaning towards Imperial Fist for some reason in the Gene Seed On That.

 

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[BrightStarNova]

The Paint Scheme Needs Modification. The Veteran Sergeants Seemed Good But Generic Troops Seemed Sloppy On That.

 

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