Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 Bah. I like it. It's the first suit I've seen that looks borderline realistic, while not making them look like the stay-puff marshmallow man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not enough hard armor, and the sheer volume of debris created by space combat would guarentee multiple punctures at orbital velocity if not greater (ie going straight through the suit and wearer with no loss of speed). To fight in zero gravity you'd need solid armor capable of resisting natural detritus we've already filled space with and whatever the ammunition we use in the future is. One of the main reasons Elon Musk's mars colony is going to Roanoke itself is because they haven't figured out how to create an EVA suit that can survive the high winds and eventual human on human violence when they start eating each other. Hell, human beings just can't live some places without technology and we just aren't at the level we need IP he at for space combat and colonization to be an option. We still rely on rockets (the literal equivalent of using an explosion to get to space) for all our travels. We were born to early to be a part of the next phase of solar exploration. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Damn, that is one cool suit. Doesn't fit the aesthetic of the established universe, but that's a huge part of the charm here. Where does the art come from? Oh, and Kage. He's the man for the job on that one :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 If someone out there has the chops, I have a modeling challenge for ya; How about a Lunar marine? Pre-XVI Legion slaughter, of course, lol. Challenge Accepted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obscura Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 "Thus choosing to die resisting, rather than to live submitting, they fled only from dishonor to meet danger face to face. You, their survivors, must determine to have as unfaltering a resolution in the days to come, though you may pray that it may have a happier issue. Therefore, having judged that to be happy means to be free, and to be free means to be brave, do not shy away from the risks of war." General Adjutant Legate Marius de la Croix to the remaining 1st/3rd/92nd and 205th Varkadian Provocateurs Siege of Terra Plasma Cornet Darvon Joseph Leon Sure, I'm in the middle of my Tale of 20. . . so why don't I start another project while I'm doing that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not enough hard armor, and the sheer volume of debris created by space combat would guarentee multiple punctures at orbital velocity if not greater (ie going straight through the suit and wearer with no loss of speed). To fight in zero gravity you'd need solid armor capable of resisting natural detritus we've already filled space with and whatever the ammunition we use in the future is. One of the main reasons Elon Musk's mars colony is going to Roanoke itself is because they haven't figured out how to create an EVA suit that can survive the high winds and eventual human on human violence when they start eating each other. Hell, human beings just can't live some places without technology and we just aren't at the level we need IP he at for space combat and colonization to be an option. We still rely on rockets (the literal equivalent of using an explosion to get to space) for all our travels. We were born to early to be a part of the next phase of solar exploration. We are talking about the Selenite military, a culture of such badass science skills that the Emps considered the capture of Luna top priority. I doubt nanotech ballistic fabric would be out of their reach, and would neatly solve-ish the problem. (bolters skill make messes. Kinda the point, though.... ) EDIT: Or, um, we're already figuring it out.... http://theweek.com/articles/470303/bulletproof-super-material-thats-paperthin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionnaire of the VIIth Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not enough hard armor, and the sheer volume of debris created by space combat would guarentee multiple punctures at orbital velocity if not greater (ie going straight through the suit and wearer with no loss of speed). To fight in zero gravity you'd need solid armor capable of resisting natural detritus we've already filled space with and whatever the ammunition we use in the future is. One of the main reasons Elon Musk's mars colony is going to Roanoke itself is because they haven't figured out how to create an EVA suit that can survive the high winds and eventual human on human violence when they start eating each other. Hell, human beings just can't live some places without technology and we just aren't at the level we need IP he at for space combat and colonization to be an option. We still rely on rockets (the literal equivalent of using an explosion to get to space) for all our travels. We were born to early to be a part of the next phase of solar exploration. Who is to say that in the future we won't have more advanced forms of Shear-Thickening Fluid (STF) for body armor, thus not needing as much or any solid plate? Maybe the world this Militia force comes from maintained that technology. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Sure, I'm in the middle of my Tale of 20. . . so why don't I start another project while I'm doing that. Hey, I'm in the middle of my Tale of 20, while planning out a couple of other projects, and I may have just started a Militia army too, so you're not really alone. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not enough hard armor, and the sheer volume of debris created by space combat would guarentee multiple punctures at orbital velocity if not greater (ie going straight through the suit and wearer with no loss of speed). To fight in zero gravity you'd need solid armor capable of resisting natural detritus we've already filled space with and whatever the ammunition we use in the future is. One of the main reasons Elon Musk's mars colony is going to Roanoke itself is because they haven't figured out how to create an EVA suit that can survive the high winds and eventual human on human violence when they start eating each other. Hell, human beings just can't live some places without technology and we just aren't at the level we need IP he at for space combat and colonization to be an option. We still rely on rockets (the literal equivalent of using an explosion to get to space) for all our travels. We were born to early to be a part of the next phase of solar exploration. We are talking about the Selenite military, a culture of such badass science skills that the Emps considered the capture of Luna top priority. I doubt nanotech ballistic fabric would be out of their reach, and would neatly solve-ish the problem. (bolters skill make messes. Kinda the point, though.... ) EDIT: Or, um, we're already figuring it out.... http://theweek.com/articles/470303/bulletproof-super-material-thats-paperthin Ohh, I was just talking about that pic specifically because it's essentially an uparmored eva suit like we have now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not enough hard armor, and the sheer volume of debris created by space combat would guarentee multiple punctures at orbital velocity if not greater (ie going straight through the suit and wearer with no loss of speed). To fight in zero gravity you'd need solid armor capable of resisting natural detritus we've already filled space with and whatever the ammunition we use in the future is. One of the main reasons Elon Musk's mars colony is going to Roanoke itself is because they haven't figured out how to create an EVA suit that can survive the high winds and eventual human on human violence when they start eating each other. Hell, human beings just can't live some places without technology and we just aren't at the level we need IP he at for space combat and colonization to be an option. We still rely on rockets (the literal equivalent of using an explosion to get to space) for all our travels. We were born to early to be a part of the next phase of solar exploration. Who is to say that in the future we won't have more advanced forms of Shear-Thickening Fluid (STF) for body armor, thus not needing as much or any solid plate? Maybe the world this Militia force comes from maintained that technology. That fluid works for an under layer to stop smaller calibers and disperse the concussive forces that jack up your internal organs in an explosion. The solid plates are for stopping the real bad boys and absorbing heat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionnaire of the VIIth Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not enough hard armor, and the sheer volume of debris created by space combat would guarentee multiple punctures at orbital velocity if not greater (ie going straight through the suit and wearer with no loss of speed). To fight in zero gravity you'd need solid armor capable of resisting natural detritus we've already filled space with and whatever the ammunition we use in the future is. One of the main reasons Elon Musk's mars colony is going to Roanoke itself is because they haven't figured out how to create an EVA suit that can survive the high winds and eventual human on human violence when they start eating each other. Hell, human beings just can't live some places without technology and we just aren't at the level we need IP he at for space combat and colonization to be an option. We still rely on rockets (the literal equivalent of using an explosion to get to space) for all our travels. We were born to early to be a part of the next phase of solar exploration. Who is to say that in the future we won't have more advanced forms of Shear-Thickening Fluid (STF) for body armor, thus not needing as much or any solid plate? Maybe the world this Militia force comes from maintained that technology. That fluid works for an under layer to stop smaller calibers and disperse the concussive forces that jack up your internal organs in an explosion. The solid plates are for stopping the real bad boys and absorbing heat. I guess I failed to properly explain what I was attempting to say. I was trying to say that maybe they developed a substances that works along the lines of STF but is much more effective than what we currently have, not that it uses that exact same substances that we have currently developed. Maybe that technology has evolved to have some kind of nano-technology to reinforce it or maybe they have some other compounds that we haven't developed yet that are capable of more than what we can currently make at our level of technology and understanding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Agreed, and don't take my criticism to mean model converted like that wouldn't look cool. I was just commenting on my personal aesthetic preferences :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4525376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I am going to build a few runts for my Medusan Clan guard this weekend, this thread as got my creative juicies going ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4529862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinner098 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I have 2 armies planned for cults and militias. One is survivors of the dark age with cyber augments, seems to be a popular choice, to be the militia to my admech force. Bunch of cyber zombies swarming over the field sounds fun to me. And once darkmech comes out I will be even happier. The other force would use tainted flesh and feral warriors, using the new genestealer cult hybrids. Again just a bunch of crazies swarming around Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4530049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I had the idea to do Gene Crafted Survivors of the Dark Age. Rhino rush grenadiers with S4 Lasrifles and S4 I4 and 3+ save for Pseudo-Marines. Platoon Command Cadre in a Land Raider Proteus. Take a Militia Squad with lascarbines, and a 6 man ogryn carapace CC squad. Attach Discipline Masters to the Militia Squad and the Ogryns, to boost their leadership. Take thunderbolts for air support and 3 leman russ squadrons for armor support. 2 Demolishers to get in close while a squadron of 3 Vanquishers provide long range anti armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4541019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Working on my first mini tonight. Pictures to come! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4542164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryltar Thamior Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 There's some cracking ideas in this thread, modelling-wise. For my own attempts at Imperial Army (and formerly Imperial Army), I've used combinations of Empire Greatswords, Cadians (most usually from the Command kit), Empire Militia, and Wolf Scouts. They're in greater depth over on my Horus Heresy narrative wargaming thread; but here's a sampler: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4542261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazSexington Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Might want to strip the aquilas for "historical" accuracy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4542559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Might want to strip the aquilas for "historical" accuracy? The only two situations in which the Aquila isn't suited are: Showcasing the palatine (Not imperial) aquila outside of the Emperor's Children and bearing the Aquila when the army is set before the alliance forged between the Emperor and the Martian Mechanicum as that is what the two-headed imperial aquila signified in the beginning, the alliance. So, unless they are set in the early Unification Era or they are bearing the palatine aquila (Which they do not), then Ryltar Thamior is fine to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4542607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Might want to strip the aquilas for "historical" accuracy? The only two situations in which the Aquila isn't suited are: Showcasing the palatine (Not imperial) aquila outside of the Emperor's Children and bearing the Aquila when the army is set before the alliance forged between the Emperor and the Martian Mechanicum as that is what the two-headed imperial aquila signified in the beginning, the alliance. So, unless they are set in the early Unification Era or they are bearing the palatine aquila (Which they do not), then Ryltar Thamior is fine to go. That's good to know, since I wanted to Use Lord Solar as my Lord Marshal/Force Commander. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4542797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryltar Thamior Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Legit points about the aquila - and the lack of its omnipresence in 30k does represent something of a visual distinguishment between 30k and 40k. I did consider stripping off the eagle-designs from the chestplates and the officer type's cap-badge; but (and this is probably rather important), the Imperial Army types (those two in the bottom picture) were modelled up with the intent of adding elite soldiers to an Agents of the Sigillite warband. Something rather akin to the 'Malcador's Chosen' which have previously been depicted in art:[here's a link to a depiction - I can't post the image for some reason]As you can see, there are rather prominent Aquilas in evidence. Interestingly, there is also what appears to be a small aquila on one of the torsos of the Legion Tartaros terminator set (it's the studded one)Getting right down to it, I agree that in general terms an aquilla should be used exceedingly sparingly when constructing a mortal 30k force or group of miniatures. Even the Solar Auxilia don't technically bear one (instead having their own - admittedly eagle-winged - badge). Having said that, there are obviously exceptions. If a given individual has a strong and overweening tie to the upper echelons of the fledgling Imperium, then they're presumably more likely to be bearing an Aquila. An Imperial Army regiment with a veteran service record may also have been granted one for their dress uniforms as part of their regimental heraldry once it had become an identifiably Imperial symbol. But either way, it's definitely something to keep in mind when constructing 'period pieces'. Although at the same time, when attempting to tie a body of men together visually (and particularly when taking non-Imperial or non-40k miniaturesets to construct your Militia with), some form of identifiably Imperial symbol may be a good idea - or at least a unified regimental badge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4543527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Legionaries/Millitia/Auxilia can have the aquila on their armour/wargear, no problem. I was rereading 'Betrayer' yesterday and one of the Ultramarines had an aquila across the front of his chest plate. It's only the 'Palatine Aquila' that is particular to the Emperor's Children :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4543558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Alright, So I built my first mini, Green stufff work is up next. I will be doing X legion iconography and adding plates to represent the power armour. He is the first of the failed, and there is no redemption for those who's flesh is weak! The Clan Guard have no names, only the duty to die with Honour for the Clans! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4546396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just going to be lazy and have my IG Cadians take up the honorable hobby of time travelling. It'll give me some more reasons to finally get them painted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4547196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I've always interpreted the Cadian gear as being STC, to explain the predominance of it above and beyond the commonality of Cadian regiments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326611-imperial-militia/page/2/#findComment-4547277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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