LR Annihilator VS Vanquisher

[major higgins]

Hi comrades,

 

I'm Thinking to add a couple or Russes to my DKoK siege army. I need a punch agaisnt heavy vehicles list now that Grenades are drop to one per assault... so, Vanquisher with it's huge gun or Annihilator with its twinlinked lascannon?

 

The first one will come 135 + coaxial H. Stubber + Additional Lascannon  160 Pt so the same as the second one with its twinlinked lascannon and an additional Laser.

 

I have no points for sponson with melta :(

 

They have the same role, maybe with the annihilator with a sligtly better precision in all it's range where the Vanquisher have the same precision only at half range, but possibility to engage enemy tnaks at 72"

 

I cannot use "Bring it down" on them, is it?

 

What your advise, or even better, combat experience on those two beast?

 

With Annihilator I may use British MK IV tank in 35mm as a Russ due to the lascannon only, using them as vanquisher let me with the problem to justify the BIG gun...

[WarriorFish]

This is something that has been discussed on and off, the Annihilator suffers from lascannons not being all that special. We can get them very easily elsewhere, so given the advantages of the chassis are matched by the Vanquisher it's not really much of a contest. Lascannons can struggle against heavier armour too, something the Vanquisher does better and it's also a unique weapon that can't be found elsewhere-  plus along with the lovely co-axial weapon rule not much less accurate either.

 

TL;DR: Vanquisher would always be my choice

[CoffeeGrunt]

Yeah I'd take the Vanquisher every time. Lascannon is only really superior against T7+ targets, or when engaging a non-vehicle target at 37-48".

[major higgins]

Aye, any Idea about use this...

https://www.google.it/search?q=Mark+IV+male+tank,+model&client=opera&hs=6Ez&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKwaOG6tLPAhVGNxQKHRx_DRkQsAQIHQ&biw=1366&bih=658#imgrc=YDp8KV-nRc4HeM%3A

in place of a standar Russ? I can state that the two sponsoon firing togeter and get the vanquisher cannon effect?

This one would be a perfect annihilator, easier to convert than the other...

[WarriorFish]

Might be a bit of a stretch, but anything can go if your opponent agrees - just may be a little difficult to sell e.g. Line of Sight.

[CoffeeGrunt]

It'd depend on your opponent. The silhouette is much lower without a turret, plus line-of-sight will be tricky if you're claiming that the guns concentrate fire. It's also a very long tank.

[major higgins]

the measure is pretty the same as a russ, maby an inch less in high, but my opponents don't concern about it

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

First off, I'd like to toss in my 2 cents. The Vanquisher is by far the superior option for killing vehicles. Especially AV14 Vehicles. I have one shotted monoliths with one from across the table. I will confess that I have not used an Annihilator, however as everyone is fond of stating we can get plenty of BS3 lascannons elsewhere (though I'm not entirely sure about DKoK).

 

As for using the MkV tanks, I think you might want to stick to the GW kits. All the 1:35 (the best scale for using with WH40k) I found are roughly twice the cost of a russ. It's a neat idea, but I think it'll end up too costly. They'd make good proxies for the Solar Auxilia's Dracosan, if they didn't cost almost the same.

[major higgins]

Well, in Europe a Mark IV tank kit is 25£ and a Russ is 31£... So is not the money the problem, but how I can justify a three meters long barrel gun on a WWI tank, because my DKoK are all standard guards, converted as British WWI tommies

[CoffeeGrunt]

I'd say perhaps look at Railway Guns? WWI didn't really have any anti-tank weaponry because, well, they didn't really have tanks. You'd either have to slip into WWII styling for some assault guns like a Sturmgeschutz or Semovente, or run a Railway Gun with the barrel levelled, as artillery was the only thing they had that came close.