DarKnight Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 So the rebellion on Olympia that thrust the IV Legion into the traitor cause was kindled by the Word Bearers, mainly Erebus. You guys think Perturabo even cares? Should he? Also, aside from completely destroying your home planet i.e. the Night Lords, would just messing it up really bad be worthy of censure, or just embarrassing to your brother Legions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I think that 10,000 years on, Perturabo is probably permanently po'ed at all his brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4527919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 He was already nearing the edge. I think the he should have been pushed by non-Imperial forces but some push was bound to happen either way. Let's be honest, even if Olympia hadn't been razed Peturabo didn't have warm fuzzy feelings about the Emperor or his crusade at that point anyway. He may have jumped ship simply to forge his own path and prove his mettle a bit more "publicly." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4527923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 The problem is not that he shouldn't care, is that he cares too much. I know that angel exterminatus isnt the world's favourite novel but it shows off perts depth, the amount of attention to detail he has, his ability to create as well as destroy. He and his warriors are capable of much more than the slog and the grind, and he knows this. Would it not hurt you knowing you are capable of so much but being forced to do the same thing over and over. Things start to get at you. And if your home turns against you after the hard slog and grind, you're gonna lose your rag a bit, especially when the people you work with use you/see you for only one thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4527937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 The problem is not that he shouldn't care, is that he cares too much. I know that angel exterminatus isnt the world's favourite novel but it shows off perts depth, the amount of attention to detail he has, his ability to create as well as destroy. He and his warriors are capable of much more than the slog and the grind, and he knows this. Would it not hurt you knowing you are capable of so much but being forced to do the same thing over and over. Things start to get at you. And if your home turns against you after the hard slog and grind, you're gonna lose your rag a bit, especially when the people you work with use you/see you for only one thing Yeah, after a while I'd have to start screening The Emperor's/Horus' astrotelepathic calls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4527968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Personally I don't think he'd really care too much post angel extreminatus see as how 1 allied brother tried to kill him another betraying him wouldnt surprise him. By 40k he just sulks on Medengard hating the entire universe including his sons. He's the single traitor primarch I can see fighting along side the imperium in the coming rumored end times 40k not because he likes the imperium but because he hates his fellow traitors for their weakness and sees his own legions likeness in the imperium victory through attrition style of war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4527980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Does he even know about it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Does he even know about it? Know about what? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Um what? Where's it stated that the WBs provoked the Olympia rebellion? Both the old IA and the FW book had it be the result of the old warlords making a bid for their old power back once Perty's stepdad died. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Um what? Where's it stated that the WBs provoked the Olympia rebellion? Both the old IA and the FW book had it be the result of the old warlords making a bid for their old power back once Perty's stepdad died. I was also not aware of this! It does seem like something that would happen though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Â Does he even know about it? Know about what? The Word Bearers involvement. Â Like the guys above, I didn't know about it. Is there anything that says he knows about it? If he does, it seems odd that he wouldn't just kill Erebus and hate the Word Bearers (he kinda hates everybody anyway). If he doesn't, then it would make for an interesting story arc when he finds out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 That Erebus makes it out the heresy alive is a mystery in itself given how many people he's upsetting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Slaanesh appreciates a :cuss of that magnitude Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 That Erebus makes it out the heresy alive is a mystery in itself given how many people he's upsetting Even more so that he is still alive in the 40th millennium! (He is right?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
no I'm alpharius Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 If they're doing the whole All the Primarchs return thing, and its already been hinted that some come back different, then having a traitor repent would be the obvious one. Of all of them, Perturabo and Magnus seem the lowest hanging fruit (outside of trying to rationalise whatever Omegon/Alpharius RIP sweet prince/spacing to make the spoiler not so obvious has been up to ... eeek .... I went cross-eyed ...). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Â That Erebus makes it out the heresy alive is a mystery in itself given how many people he's upsetting Even more so that he is still alive in the 40th millennium! (He is right?) Yeah, the git Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 See I read something a long time ago that Perty, although pissed about the way his legion is treated, was the only borderline traitor primarch involved unlike Kurze who told everyone "Welcome to my party" and he eventually regretted his choice to join Horus. Also a lead in to why his legion cuts off mutations as they want no part of chaos(as a whole)Â and its a convenient excuse for cybernetics augmentation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I do not recall Erebus and/or the WB involved in the Olympia uprising, but I may not be up to date with current fluff develepments. IMO, it is also not the most relevant factor in Perturabo's reaction. Erebus or the WB (or Alpha Legion) do not just come along and voila, global uprising! In Perturabo's world you do your bloody job when you are told to. And are expected to be the best at doing your bloody job. This is the guy who expects his Legion to punish itself for not being the best even in the early crusade. If your job is compliance, you comply. If an Erebus comes along and asks you to join his shenanigangs, you sent him packing. Olympia gets punished for failing their Primarch. Why is at most secondary. If you fail Perturabo, you get pulped. Period. Â As for redemption...IW do not cut out mutations because they loath Chaos. They cut them out because they failed at controlling it. They punish their weakness. And Perturabo is a freaking daemon primarch. You do not get there as an innocent bystander. Also, current fluff has him and the IVth supporting the 13th Crusade. And not after planetary nombardement (I am looking at you, Magnus). That is not very repenting to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 He made his decision. He will see it trough for better or worse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Also, current fluff has him and the IVth supporting the 13th Crusade. And not after planetary nombardement (I am looking at you, Magnus). That is not very repenting to me. True, but then none of the current fluff has any indication of Primarchs changing sides, yet that's the persistent rumour. While I don't particularly like it, Pertuarbo probably makes amongst the most sense for the confirmed living Traitor Primarchs. So if that's the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see Perty doing the face-heel/heel-face turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4528947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 If Dorn is still alive, I can't see Perturabo switching sides. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4529069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016   Does he even know about it? Know about what? The Word Bearers involvement.  Like the guys above, I didn't know about it. Is there anything that says he knows about it? If he does, it seems odd that he wouldn't just kill Erebus and hate the Word Bearers (he kinda hates everybody anyway). If he doesn't, then it would make for an interesting story arc when he finds out.  In the First Heretic, Argel Tal and Xaphen are conversing after being away 40 years and spreading lodges within most of the soon to be traitor legions. Xaphen mentions if not Erebus specifically, that some agents of the Word Bearers are on Olympia conspiring with the disaffected parties there to rebel. I would just think after 10,000 Perturabo himself or one of the legionaries still loyal to him would've found out and brought him that news.  Update: After reading the relevant passage in The First Heretic, Xaphen doesn't mention Erebus, but does say that he and other Word Bearers were on Olympia and things were manipulated to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4529112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 He made his decision. He will see it trough for better or worse. See, I need help with this one. He made a decision to defend and fight for the Emperor...But he quit on that. Why wouldn't he quit on the traitor Legions that quit on the Siege..which he was leading. He is a quitter who served quitters. Be it the Emperor or the Traitor cause. Too much salt in my diet. And if Pertrurabo does "quit sides" how does a demon prince change sides? How does that work? How is that even possible? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4529534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The Emperor never gave a :cuss about what perty wanted. Never gave him credit aswell. Did he really choose? What choice do you have when a God "asks" something of you? One that had no problemo erasing 2 of his bros? Emperor is just another tyrant. He wanted conquerors, generals and murderer's. He never cared about their wishes or their dreams. They were tools for him. Even poor Magnus was just a tool to power up the golden throne. Â But it was not as black and white as this. He was on the edge and the events of Olympia pushed him further. His fears and paranoia were manipulated. There was no turning back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4529541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 How is Erebus not the highest of Daemon Prices? He's the Chaos MVP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/#findComment-4529550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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