Sete Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 He's in a dire need of a slapin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4529559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
no I'm alpharius Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Also, current fluff has him and the IVth supporting the 13th Crusade. And not after planetary nombardement (I am looking at you, Magnus). That is not very repenting to me. True, but then none of the current fluff has any indication of Primarchs changing sides, yet that's the persistent rumour. While I don't particularly like it, Pertuarbo probably makes amongst the most sense for the confirmed living Traitor Primarchs. So if that's the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see Perty doing the face-heel/heel-face turn. I think the persistent rumour originated from what was probably a throw away comment; that some of the returning loyal primarchs might not like what's happened to the Imperium in 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4529582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Good grief! Just another reason to re-read The First Heretic! And while I do agree that Perturabo would be a likely candidate for a daemon prince candidate among that lot, it's just the most likely as in the most lazy way to ruin, er, develop a character ( Little contradicting fluff, non god specific). Still would not make much sense to me. And personally, I think that after ten thousand years, you do not let your old grudges go so easily. Old hate is like your favorite, nice, well worn leather jacket. There is nothing that quite fits like it and it just feels sooo right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 One thing I've never understood. How is Pert even a daemon prince? Which God elevated him to one? Why would he accept if he and his entire legion hate mutation? Granted my knowledge of IW fluff post heresy is a little non existent, but does this info exist anywhere? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Also, current fluff has him and the IVth supporting the 13th Crusade. And not after planetary nombardement (I am looking at you, Magnus). That is not very repenting to me. True, but then none of the current fluff has any indication of Primarchs changing sides, yet that's the persistent rumour. While I don't particularly like it, Pertuarbo probably makes amongst the most sense for the confirmed living Traitor Primarchs. So if that's the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see Perty doing the face-heel/heel-face turn. He makes the least sense to turn loyalist. Once Perturabo has considered something and chosen a course, he never deviates until it is finished. He see's that as weakness, and the failing of lesser men. Aside from turning from the Emperor in the first place. Wasnt really much of a choice between "i am your real father come with me or stay on this rock with all these little dumb people" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 How is Erebus not the highest of Daemon Prices? He's the Chaos MVP. 'Cuz he was too busy pissing off all the Gods simultaneously. Seriously, he must be a Daemon Prince of Malice because why the hell is he not goddamn dead?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 He is a Demon Prince of Chaos Undivided. The "gods" granted him it after the Cage Incident. I'm sure it was all part of Dorn and Guillimen's plan of course...;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 He is a Demon Prince of Chaos Undivided. The "gods" granted him it after the Cage Incident. I'm sure it was all part of Dorn and Guillimen's plan of course...;) Just as planned! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 How is Erebus not the highest of Daemon Prices? He's the Chaos MVP. 'Cuz he was too busy pissing off all the Gods simultaneously. Seriously, he must be a Daemon Prince of Malice because why the hell is he not goddamn dead?! How did he piss them all off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Also, current fluff has him and the IVth supporting the 13th Crusade. And not after planetary nombardement (I am looking at you, Magnus). That is not very repenting to me.True, but then none of the current fluff has any indication of Primarchs changing sides, yet that's the persistent rumour. While I don't particularly like it, Pertuarbo probably makes amongst the most sense for the confirmed living Traitor Primarchs. So if that's the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see Perty doing the face-heel/heel-face turn. He makes the least sense to turn loyalist. Once Perturabo has considered something and chosen a course, he never deviates until it is finished. He see's that as weakness, and the failing of lesser men. Aside from turning from the Emperor in the first place. Wasnt really much of a choice between "i am your real father come with me or stay on this rock with all these little dumb people" So what? He turned his coat once, why is so inconceivable that a bitter, hate filled individual with millennia to brood may come to despise those on his 'side' more than the 'enemy'? Especially given how the current form of the Traitor Legions bears little resemblance to what anyone would have planned 10,000 years ago. Who else have we got? Lorgar: Least likely, it's all his fault in the first place, by all accounts a 'true believer' even before Daemonhood was added to the mix. Fulgrim: Hedonist snake monster. Direct slave on one God, and likes it. Absolutely no reason to turn. Angron: Rage monster. Direct slave of Khorne. Probably too busy being all 'blood, kill, maim, burn' to even consider changing sides. Mortarion: Walking disease. Also direct slave of single God. Has literally become what he originally set out to destroy. So questioning the path is unlikely, assuming he even can. Magnus: Probably the next most likely after Perty. Although he is an absolute tool that sold his soul to Tzeentch long before the Heresy. Might he be able to have second thoughts? Possibly. But as a direct slave/pawn of Tzeentch, he may not, and if he does, it may just be part of a 'just as planned scheme'. Which leaves Pertuarbo. Originally one of the least 'Godly' of his brothers. Not bound to a single God. Bitter misanthrope. Entirely possible for him to have come to despise the Traitors more than the loyalist over the last 10,000 years. Once you get past the 'can a Daemon Primarch actually rebel' thing, he has the fewest obstacles to make that jump to anti-Chaos. Again, not saying it's likely, a good idea or that any of them have extremely good justifications for turning. But if that's the path they take, I can certainly see Pertuarbo being one of/the one switching. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Will have to agree to dissagree there. Its all gone way too far for Perty to ever back out. His original reason for making the compact with Horus was the overwhelming shame and guilt for having razed Olympia, and knowing the Emp would never forgive him. Now the Emp is DEAD, plus all the other terrible gak thats happened. Perturabo has the 1000 yard stare, he cant even see redemption anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Also, Chaos isn't the Dark Side of the Force - you do not just repent and walk away from it. It taints and warps you - especially after 10 000 years. The Primarchs of the Great Crusade and those of the 41st are very different breeds of animals, I'd say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4530552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Their are in universe examples of cultist gaining redemption through service to the Inquisition and a grey Knight becoming a champion of khorne but declared as pure by his fellow go when he returns to the imperium Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4718659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppyred Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 In Angel Exterminatus an iron warrior calls some imperial fists loyalists and perty says don't call them loyalist cos what does that make us? Later on perty talks about the Emperor surendering and throughout the book he does not like what chaos is doing to the III legion. It is my belief that the only reason he sided with horus was his guilt over olympia. The irony is that the olympia uprising was planned by Lorgar with exactly that intention. Without the uprising the IV would remain loyal. Perty cares because he wants his legion to be the best (reason for decimation) so having their home world and main source of recruits rebel would have grated his pride badly, imagine what dorn would whisper in to the ears of his brothers, his emperor! He had no choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4718782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamy248 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 One thing I've never understood. How is Pert even a daemon prince? Which God elevated him to one? Why would he accept if he and his entire legion hate mutation? Granted my knowledge of IW fluff post heresy is a little non existent, but does this info exist anywhere? Read Angel Exterminatus. Basically, it's all Fulgrim's fault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4720222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 That's a bit of a stretch, no? Fulgrim gave him the idea of using a brother's energy for apotheosis, but Pert Plus ended up sacrificing a pile of Imperial Fist gene seed to do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326742-should-perturabo-care/page/2/#findComment-4720533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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