Emperor's Furor Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 My local stores meta heavily favours Eldar, the best players all use Eldar in some various shape or form. I'm looking to start an army that not only looks cool (I have colour scheme in mind for sisters) but is also effective against Eldar, what do you think about sisters facing them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 It's not going to be easy. Eldar is THE top tier army, and sisters, well, depending on your list are mid tier at best. Generally, the fact that no one expects us helps, but we're seriously over costed vs. Marines and eldar. That being said, you can still win. It's just not going to be an even match at 1850. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Depends on what exactly you are facing. I find scouting Dominion squads with ignores cover (and jink) are your best bet against jetbikes/serpent spam. Flamer equipped BSS squads can help against the bikes too, if they can catch them that is. Exorcists have on occasion done well for me against wraith units, but the randomness of the organs can leave you wanting at times. Repentia can be tough to use, but they can kill just about anything in hth. Â Uphill battle for sure, but you can make a go of it with Sisters for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I would consider swapping out Excorsists with Avenger Strike fighters, a bit more reliable imho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I'm looking to start an army that not only looks cool (I have colour scheme in mind for sisters) but is also effective against Eldar, what do you think about sisters facing them? Â Depends on the Eldar as there is quite a range from 'just good' all the way up to bringing in warp hunters and allied inquisitors to squash scouts. Â At the end of the day the best the sisters can field is a gladius-like force with a higher proportion of special weapons, 6+ invulnerables, and better melta razorbacks. However they pay waaay more for it than marines, are T3, and lack chapter tactics, gravs, psychic powers, and so forth. Â Â The sisters can field more extreme variants of the theme though as they are not locked into the formation structure and this will be most noticeable at lower points levels - if you play at 1500 and below the formation bonuses of newer factions begin to dry up whereas the Sisters are still running at full strength. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 If the enemy eldar dont have a wraith knight, then you can really go toe-to-toe with them. Â The biggest issue is the multiwound mega MCs. Â Â If you are not against allying in a grav skyhammer, and fleshing the rest out with the Sisters, then i think you can do some solid damage. Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 If the enemy eldar dont have a wraith knight, then you can really go toe-to-toe with them. Â The biggest issue is the multiwound mega MCs. Â Â If you are not against allying in a grav skyhammer, and fleshing the rest out with the Sisters, then i think you can do some solid damage. Â I mean, then you're basically just playing Space Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I prefer ignore cover scouting melta to grav spam. Of course, I prefer to play Sisters when I'm playing Sisters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We can bring a lot of S8 and a lot of ignore cover, plus Adamantium Will. Â 40k Orthodoxy did a feature on this iirc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Xenos witches burn really well too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeh Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The local Eldar player has come to fear a lot of  outflanking immolators filled with dominions. But at the same time I'm forced to field a knight or two to counter his big stompy mechs as well. I'm lucky that he doesn't field tons of bikes (in fact I have never seen him WITH any bikes at all). Typically he runs a bunch of tanks, snipers, psycher BS, and mechs. Most of my success against that has come from keeping girls in metal boxes until I can get into a sweet spot to take them out. Having allies has been useful as well. Nothing says goodbye to tanks faster than melta spam and thunderwolves. Otherwise I've had great success dropping seraphim directly onto big squads of their guys. Sheer firepower and a rerollable invuln has done wonders against their psychers that like to hide in the back.  ...But a knight acheron and it's immense blasts of fire from that Acheron Pattern Flame Cannon....nnf. >.> MELT HETHENS! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Repressors filled with Dominions with meltas tend to do well against anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 If you're up to watching batreps there are a bunch that feature Sisters vs Eldar also, I have no idea why there's a lot of them tbh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4529960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The numbers game helps diffuse power somewhat, so MSU would be a good approach - something Sisters can do quite well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The Condemnor Boltgun got a huge buff with the latest FAQ as well. Though I'm not sure what the status of the FAQ's is with your gaming group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The Condemnor Boltgun got a huge buff with the latest FAQ as well. Though I'm not sure what the status of the FAQ's is with your gaming group. I can never seem to do any damage with them. I feel like everytime I use one, the opponent gets a 6 for perils. Also: Is it one test per round or one test per Condemnor Boltgun? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Also: Is it one test per round or one test per Condemnor Boltgun? Currently one test per hit, regardless of whether it hits the psyker or a member of their unit, and regardless of whether it wounds. Test taken when the hit is scored AFAIK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Right, great currently with a sororitas command squad against psychic death stars. Its a one shot trick, but five perils possible on such a thing can cause some havoc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Okay, so that makes them much better. I was under the impression of a 1 per phase, which makes the ideal "Witch Hunter" load out rather tough. That being said, I'm now going to roll with a lot more of them on the field. Which also means that I have to make a lot more of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Which also means that I have to make a lot more of them. Â The main limitation against the psychic deathstars is that you have to hit, and you only get one chance - a whole command squad and canoness with condemnors is only generating a single perils roll against an invisible unit and then you've got a 170+pt unit armed with bolt guns. Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'll be looking forward to seeing the Sisters of Silence models as a stand in for a Culexus Assassin for such things... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4530750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Sisters of silence are getting their own rules. Not that you couldn't convert one up to be ano assassin, but they might be worth at on their own as SoS's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4531029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 But 30k only presumably. Both kind of fill that psychic pariah slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4531656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 The flier said for 40k for both Custodes and Sisters of Silence. Especially since the sisters of silence and battle fulfill different rolls (Anti-psyker vs. Military Arm of the Church) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4531684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Fi thought the SoS were wiped out some time after the Heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326788-are-sisters-any-good-vs-eldar/#findComment-4531959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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