NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Hello everyone, Since Reading Praetorian of Dorn and the latest HH Boxed set (and already being a son of Dorn) I have decided on creating a force with the Sons of Dorn. However I have a few questions for some more veteran collect9rs mainly regarding the Huscarls. Firstly the lexicannum entry describes Huscarls as being Dorn's terminator bodyguards however archamus wore power armour in the PoD book. So what are they officially classed as and must they all be in terminator armour? Does anyone expect the Huscarls to receive their own unique models? (if mainly terminators.) Is there any artwork depicting huscarls to date? Do they have any unique weapons? Thanks for any help that can be provided! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 While they typically wear Terminator armour, it doesn't mean they always wear it. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 While they typically wear Terminator armour, it doesn't mean they always wear it. That makes sense I suppose, so you could have Huscarls which use varying armour and weaponry in the same battle? If that is true then I would have to find a way to make them look uniquely "huscarlish" - Any Ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenbain Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 They wouldn't need to always be in Terminator Armour no. Most very senior legionnaires have a variety of armour suits avaluable to them. As far as models/rules go, I'm expecting the Huscarls to be included in the book covering the Siege of Terra along with FW producing Heresy-Era Indomitus suits to represent them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Most of that book describes the huscarls as simply a bodyguard formation, and almost always in power armor configured as breachers or veterans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 They wouldn't need to always be in Terminator Armour no. Most very senior legionnaires have a variety of armour suits avaluable to them. As far as models/rules go, I'm expecting the Huscarls to be included in the book covering the Siege of Terra along with FW producing Heresy-Era Indomitus suits to represent them. How many years will that be do you think? Also, what makes you think Indomitus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Siege of Terra is a long way off, I believe that's not being covered until book 9, which won't be out for a year at the very earliest, probably longer if FW delays the release of Prospero or book 8. Also, I would never wait on an army idea just because some unit may or may not be in future FW books. No one really knows for sure what FW will release, and there's already plenty of units/rules to work with already for Imperial Fists without worrying about Houscarls. Plus, you could always use a legion command squad to represent houscarls and model them any way you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Siege of Terra is a long way off, I believe that's not being covered until book 9, which won't be out for a year at the very earliest, probably longer if FW delays the release of Prospero or book 8. Also, I would never wait on an army idea just because some unit may or may not be in future FW books. No one really knows for sure what FW will release, and there's already plenty of units/rules to work with already for Imperial Fists without worrying about Houscarls. Plus, you could always use a legion command squad to represent houscarls and model them any way you want. Yeah I wasn't going to wait for them by any means, I will probably first focus on other parts of the imperial fists such as the Templars and Boarding squads. I also have a little Idea in my head from the book and archamus' artwork which has a horus-esque fur accross his shoulders. Thanks for the Help, I may reread the book for more hints about their armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Book 9? No way in hell its book 9. Maybe book 13-15 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Book 9? No way in hell its book 9. Maybe book 13-15What else is there?!?! Lol. (I mean to stretch it to 13 books. I would have thought ten would complete it) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4531912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Here's Forge World's Timeline:http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/heresy-timeline-2016.jpg You're looking at at least one more Ultramarines book to cover the Shadow Crusade, probably another to cover the rise of Imperium Secundus and the Underworld War on Calth.I don't believe there's been any mention of an attack on Agathon yet, so that'll mean another book in the Conquest-Retribution series. Tallarn could have a book all to itself. Signus and Chondax could be combined into a single book, or not. I don't know about the Thramas Crusade. Martian Civil War will probably get a book. That's at minimum five more books and that's without all those empty XXX boxes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I was under the impression FW has stated there will be a total of ten HH books... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 What do these book actually contain? Do they form a comprehensive narrative of the HH and also provide rules for selected units or is there more to them? Is there any other way to obtain rules for HH? Edit: Also how do these books compare to the HH novels? Do the novels preceed what happens in the books or vice versa? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Is there a significance to that layout? Like why Signus is in one line with one set and other things are in the other lines with other sets? Also, I don't see why they need multiple books to cover Calth, the war is already covered. Imperium Secundus can be tied into another book without having it's own. The Martian Civil War can be rolled into with the Solar War. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The Heresy books have never been about motoring towards the Siege of Terra - if that was the case, then Books 4 and 6 wouldn't exist, as neither of them cover conflicts we've heard about before. The whole point is to flesh out the series to a degree we've never seen before, this is the most recent version of the timeline: And from that, only 12 boxes out of a total of 41 have been covered so far in the series (and that's including Inferno covering Prospero & The Sundering of Zhao-Arkkad). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Some of those (like the Titan Death) will be covered in Adeptus Titanicus books too (my prediction is Beta-Garmon and Sea of Fire will all be remakes of old Epic Space Marine battles). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 The Heresy books have never been about motoring towards the Siege of Terra - if that was the case, then Books 4 and 6 wouldn't exist, as neither of them cover conflicts we've heard about before. The whole point is to flesh out the series to a degree we've never seen before, this is the most recent version of the timeline: And from that, only 12 boxes out of a total of 41 have been covered so far in the series (and that's including Inferno covering Prospero & The Sundering of Zhao-Arkkad). What is the colour coding for? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Some of it seems to correspond to what was covered in each book, but some seems to be random - for example, Agathon, Cyclops Cluster, Mezoa & Manachea were all covered in Book IV (with the lavender boxes) but Isstvan III and Prospero aren't in the same book (both have grey boxes). The colours may signify thematic or spacial relevance - for the former, Isstvan III & Prospero are both unprecedented battles between Legionaries, and for the latter all the yellow boxes signify conflicts within Ultramar. I'm sure someone at FW knows Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Well as long as there are more battles with the Blood Angels as the Protagonists, I guess I'm cool with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hey wait, something is wrong with that. Wasn't Imperium Secundus established after Calth? And Sanguinius didn't show up until after IS was founded, which means the assault on Calth had to have happened during Signus, so why is it a year after Signus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 It's not entirely clear cut I imagine, the years are just an easy way to categorise things. Technically Calth is long as hell because it happens until all traitors are purged from Ultramar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326849-imperial-fist-huscarls-and-the-new-hh-boxed-set/#findComment-4532960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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