God-Potato of Mankind Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hi all, I have a game coming up and it would appear my new local's meta is all the deepstriking elites you can horrifically think of. So I'm seemingly instantly on the defensive so thought the short-range melta heavy firepower of the Eighteenth would do quite well. Thusly I have crafted the below lists, one for a standard 30k game (2.5k) and one for standard 40k games (1.8k) 2.5k HQ Praetor, stormshield, refractor, mantle, digilasers, mastercrafted paragon blade, melta bombs (Covenant of Meltaspam) Praevian, artificer armour, fist & combi-flamer with three murder-vorax with EHTA & Bio-corrosive ammo Troops 10 Tacticals, sergeant with artificer, combi-melta, melta bombs. Rhino with multi-melta 10 Tacticals, as above sans melta bomb 8 Pyroclasts, Warden with mastercrafted fist Elites 2 Techmarines Heavy Land Raider Achilles, pintle multi-melta, incendiary shells Land Raider Achilles, pintle multi-melta, Land Raider Phobos, AC & Heavy Flamers, incendiary shells 2x Predator with AC & Magnamelta The plan is to maintain force cohesion and force them to engage the massed melta fire (I count 10 vehicle melta-class weapons, 9 mini-meltas on the 'clasts) which will delete both Dreadnoughts and Terminators. I loaded the quadguns with incendiary rounds in-case they do happen to have MEQ/GEQ in cover. The Techmarines stay stock and hide within the raiders, to restore HP to an already hella tough vehicle. The 'clasts team up with the Praetor and load into the Phobos - I was planning on using them as a risky as balls counter charge to TEQ. I fire the mini-meltas before charging, which should drop some Terminators and then the Praetor's paragon blade will hopefully dispose of some more and if needed that mastercrafted fist can pulp the remainder. On-top of the TL Heavy flamer bathing them in delicious S6 flame before charging, plus maybe snipe one or two with the lascannons. The tacticals secure whatever objectives there may be, and the multi-meltas will mean the enemy has to devote some firepower to them as they will hurt something if they can fire. The Vorax I included for some fast moving interdiction and because I have them and they look hella cool. I will eventually replace these with two multi-melta Castellax with two hand flamers because that will suit this list down to the ground, further improving the vehicle class melta count to 12! Thoughts? I can also swap one Achilles for an Achilles alpha, so I can deflagrate infantry heavy armies. The pyroclasts can obviously project flame over infantry with glorious effect. So I'm hoping my anti-infantry isn't too gimped. 1.8k HQ Praetor - master crafted paragon, mantle, refractor, stormshield, digilasers & melta bombs (Covenant of Meltaspam) Praevian - trio of Vorax with EHTA & Bio-ammo Troops 2x 10 Man Tacticools with artificer & combi-weapon sergeants - Rhino's with multi-meltas Heavy 2x Achilles Raider with pintle multi-melta, incendiary shells 2x Magnamelta preds with AC & Extra Armour The idea, once again, is as much melta as I can get. The lack of Pyros & techmarines reduces my efficacy but it seems 1750-1800 is what people play at...so I'm at a loss as 30k seems to struggle under 2k. Any thoughts or suggestions would be great. I can call upon the below for changes Falchion Caestus Ram (Covenant of Fire :( ) 10 Firedrakes Glaive Vulkette Autocannon mortis contemptor Double-fist contemptor HB/Fist contemptor 10 Breachers Fire Raptor (Covenant of fire :( ) Master of SIgnals, Legion Champion, Multiple Apothecaries (Primus included) Vindicator 3 Jetbikes (<3 heavy flamers) 3 Outriders (<3 TL Flamers) 5 Heavy support of each: multimelta, heavy flamer (not the most useful, I guess - perhaps drive by melting in a rrhino?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 For your praetor id upgrade the refractor field for an iron halo - giving him a 3++. Id also consider giving him a thunder hammer instead of a paragon blade - with EW and a 3++ he can take a beating before instant deathing most T4 characters. Squeezing in a basic apothercary would help him and the pyroclasts out even further. If you haven't purchased the 2 x Achilles I wouldn't - perhaps try one with your techmarine combo but I'm not sure 2 would get their points back. Whilst you have plenty of melta you lack options to target heavy armour that has armoured ceramite so switching 1 for a Sicaran Venator (or something else) may help - points left over could go towards giving you a third predator for your squadron and the unrequired techmarine could pay from the apothercary I mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just seen the list of stuff you have - nice! Instead of the Venator/ 3rd predator maybe using your contemptors (as you're tight on heavy support slots)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Give the Praetor a Mantle of the Elder Drake for Eternal Warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Give the Praetor a Mantle of the Elder Drake for Eternal Warrior. I thinks he's already added it Sips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Give the Praetor a Mantle of the Elder Drake for Eternal Warrior. I thinks he's already added it Sips I may or may not have misread things while super sleepy yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 For your praetor id upgrade the refractor field for an iron halo - giving him a 3++. Id also consider giving him a thunder hammer instead of a paragon blade - with EW and a 3++ he can take a beating before instant deathing most T4 characters. Squeezing in a basic apothercary would help him and the pyroclasts out even further. If you haven't purchased the 2 x Achilles I wouldn't - perhaps try one with your techmarine combo but I'm not sure 2 would get their points back. Whilst you have plenty of melta you lack options to target heavy armour that has armoured ceramite so switching 1 for a Sicaran Venator (or something else) may help - points left over could go towards giving you a third predator for your squadron and the unrequired techmarine could pay from the apothercary I mentioned. I already own two Achilles so I am fairly hellbent on using them. Not many people at my FLGS have Heresy so most things I face have no melta immunity. A trio of MC melta shots and 4 S8 mortar rounds should be sufficient, though I know Achilles are not "meta". Regenerating AV14 and ID for TEQ is also a big draw for me. I could deploy a trio of multimelta dreadnoughts...but I sure do love Land Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Fair enough - I'd love to make use of one myself - but for me they're so over costed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I will say that I played an Apoc Game where my LR Achilles did his part in killing off or helping kill 3-4 Knights before the other side got pissy about it nuking them to death with its Multimeltas and Shatter Shells. So its definitely no slouch but will probably not be the best option for Av14 busting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 My plan was massed melta fire will melt even AV14. I do have a Falchion, I could deploy that as anti-AV14 but the amount of formation toting "charge from deep strike LOL" players makes me like how flexible Land Raider boxes can be zipping about. Big old Falchy is asking for turn one nuking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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