Emicus Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Is it literally the worst thing you can take? I've had daydreams about Bullgryns grav-chute inserting from Valkyries lately. Do tell if this is something that has been tries before and also on a scale from 4-20 how cool will it be :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurio Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Use the rampart detachment to give them fearless, counterattack, etc and I think it might be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4534591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 The literally worst thing you can take is a xenos army. Or do you mean table top wise? Rule of Cool reigns supreme as ever (this ranks at 18), but given Bullgryns are a mobile wall being able to drop them in where they're needed might not be as bad as it initially sounds. Enemy forces driving up a flank? Valuable vehicle escort routed/diverted away? Drop in some Bullgryns and have them hold the line and provide some cover... You wouldn't want large squads due to their base size, but you don't get loads in a Valkyrie anyway aside from costs. The trick with reserves/transports is to try and get them out and busy without too much delay I think, otherwise it's literally wasting points - the right moment is the compromise that can win games ;) I'd love to see this in action, so let us know if you give it a go. If nothing else it might surprise your opponent :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4534594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellegionnaire85 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Valkyrie cannot transport ogryns so I do not think they could transport bullgryns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4534618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I don't think the Valkyrie or Vendetta have hard restrictions on what they can transport? When Ogryns had the "it's dark in dere" rule Valkyries didn't even have a model! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4534648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurio Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I have valkyries and 20 bullgryn, I may try it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4534689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I don't think the Valkyrie or Vendetta have hard restrictions on what they can transport? When Ogryns had the "it's dark in dere" rule Valkyries didn't even have a model! They did have a model, just not in the codex. "Its dark in dere" is still one of those old codex rules that still makes me chuckle lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4534747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 @centurio unfortunately the Rampart Detachment requires 5man Bullgryn units and they take 3 seats each in the bird. @steellegionnaire85 fortunately it's no longer dark in 'dere cause the enginseers got around to replacing the light-bulbs! @warriorfish a 18 you say.. Guess I have no choice now. Though I will be pushing for a house rule to take slabshield/powermaul bullgryns! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4535212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurio Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Well crap, I was thinking they took up 2 spaces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4535358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 Well crap, I was thinking they took up 2 spaces. one for the left cheek one for the right cheek and one for their MASSIVE.... awesomeness! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4535460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Valkyries can transport 4 Bullgryn. Though I'd say take a unit of 3, so you have transport space left over for a priest, or a commissar. I'd also be reluctant to take the slabshield dudes, instead take the mauls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4535640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Anyone tried it yet? I'm hunting down a cheap Valkyrie as we speak. Because this is a completely non-competitive addition to my force, not to mention illegal (unless unbound - I'm adding a single unit of Bullgryns to Militarum Tempestus), I figured I'd go whole hog in the houseruling department and allow the Bullgryns to keep their slabshield when buying power mauls. Cause It's ridiculous that they can't for ~60ppm. May the Light of the Emperor guide me, and my example be seen by the GW team so they can sort the Tempestus/Guard at large out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4538766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Emicus, you might consider a couple of vet squads and a lord commissar, to put this all in a guard army, so you can take the bullgryns. Sure it's a tax, but those vets might help you out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4538887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Hopefully we get some more options in the next codex for them (and a points drop), but my Bullgryns are still on the assembly line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4539033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Emicus, you might consider a couple of vet squads and a lord commissar, to put this all in a guard army, so you can take the bullgryns. Sure it's a tax, but those vets might help you out? completely ruins the theme unfortunately, the vets don't have a place :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4539110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Emicus, you might consider a couple of vet squads and a lord commissar, to put this all in a guard army, so you can take the bullgryns. Sure it's a tax, but those vets might help you out? completely ruins the theme unfortunately, the vets don't have a place Well then it's unbound I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4539527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 New guard codex ogryns/bullgryns become MCs. YAY! /buys more ogryns / bullgryns 8th ed drops MCs get nerfed. DOH! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326936-bullgryns-in-valkyrie/#findComment-4539891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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