Griz Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Greetings everyone! I am looking to finally delve into 30k and build my own VI Legion - with that being said I have a question for all of you: Which models are worth an investment? I suppose I'm looking at this question from three points: What models are needed and "should" have in 30k army? What are models lend themselves to a competitive 30k army? I also thoroughly enjoy the hobby aspect and do like to paint and display great models Now I intend of picking up Leman Russ and The Burning of Prospero box set as a starting point but I am unsure what makes the most sense in terms of the points noted above. Units, vehicles, walkers, etc all apply to this question. Thoughts and advice is greatly appreciated! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Greetings brother. I would say maybe even two burning of propspero until inferno comes out. I also feel like a spartan is never a wrong choice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4537670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Greetings brother. I would say maybe even two burning of propspero until inferno comes out. I also feel like a spartan is never a wrong choice Any particular reasoning - for both another box and a Spartan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4537678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Any others? I don't know a whole lot of the 30k composition - long time 40k player but new to 30k as a whole. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 You should get: - Betrayal at Calth - Burning of Prospero - Russ - FW upgrades and transfers Gives you 60 marines and 10 terminators, enough to build a decend core force :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Thanks Atia! I'd imagine marines and terminators on the ground don't really last long - I've typically seen that30 Space Marines seems to be a core of any HH army but looking for a little more to expand on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Highly reccomendt two sets of transfers I'll have 3 soon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks Atia! I'd imagine marines and terminators on the ground don't really last long - I've typically seen that30 Space Marines seems to be a core of any HH army but looking for a little more to expand on. Right - well, you need to bear with me as I usually plan around Zone Mortalis haha. I'm by no means a tactic guide (we have other people like Slipstreams for this ) - but I would imagine some Land Raiders or Spartans would help a lot with that. Also, I think only the cataphractii need a ride - Tartarus should be pretty good without one ^^ Also keep in mind, 60 bodies will give you plenty of room for some weapon conversion sets from FW - for your heavy weapons or support units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks Atia! I'd imagine marines and terminators on the ground don't really last long - I've typically seen that30 Space Marines seems to be a core of any HH army but looking for a little more to expand on. Right - well, you need to bear with me as I usually plan around Zone Mortalis haha. I'm by no means a tactic guide (we have other people like Slipstreams for this ) - but I would imagine some Land Raiders or Spartans would help a lot with that. Also, I think only the cataphractii need a ride - Tartarus should be pretty good without one ^^ Also keep in mind, 60 bodies will give you plenty of room for some weapon conversion sets from FW - for your heavy weapons or support units. Okay this is good information! I'm starting to see that Spartans aren't a bad choice but I'm not entirely sure why (I still have to pick up the Army List Books). So what are good choices when it comes to Weapon Conversion kits? Certain weapon choices stand out better than others? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Spartans are a great great transport and their weapons aren't half bad either I have two Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 and if you put a flare shield on it, it gets ridiculously funny! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamantium_wang Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Okay this is good information! I'm starting to see that Spartans aren't a bad choice but I'm not entirely sure why (I still have to pick up the Army List Books). Spartans are useful because they're a 5HP Land Raider with a pair of quad lascannons that can carry up to 25 models and keeps its assault ramp. They're the best way to transport an important unit with attached Independent Characters safely and can be further upgraded to reduce the strength of incoming attacks and to ignore the Melta rule. They're a mainstay of many lists of just about every Legion and you can't really go wrong with one. Just be aware that everyone will be expecting to see one in a game of 30k and will take appropriate measures :v Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 To take a slightly different tack: I suppose I'm looking at this question from three points:What models are needed and "should" have in 30k army? What are models lend themselves to a competitive 30k army? I also thoroughly enjoy the hobby aspect and do like to paint and display great models On the first point: The Legions were vast; almost anything goes. From entire tank armies to reserve companies made up of nothing but Lascannon-toting squads, to void-fighting boarding parties, you can probably do it. With that borne in mind, where do you start? I'd encourage you to start by thinking of your favourite stories of the Vlka Fenryka. What do you picture in your mind's eye? A brooding group of warriors stalking through the wind and snow? The clean lines of Legionaries darting from cover to cover? A flight of Thunderhawks? Any of these can work; my point is that with a strong visual in place, you'll find it much easier to create an army that you're ultimately pleased with, rather than just a grey version of what everyone else has. Personally, I think almost any Horus Heresy army is enhanced by having at least two twenty-strong Legion Tactical Squads. Basic, unadorned and iconic. On the second point, I don't really know where to start. I'll leave that to posters who play more competitively and can answer better than me. For the third, you can go for Legion vehicles like the Contemptor or Predator, with their clean lines – perfect for intricate freehand or transfers – but equally you can turn your attention to the battle-brothers of the Rout infantry, and give each one a paintjob that tells his proud individual story... Looking forward to seeing where you take your army; good luck! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4538984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks Atia! I'd imagine marines and terminators on the ground don't really last long - I've typically seen that30 Space Marines seems to be a core of any HH army but looking for a little more to expand on. Right - well, you need to bear with me as I usually plan around Zone Mortalis haha. I'm by no means a tactic guide (we have other people like Slipstreams for this ) - but I would imagine some Land Raiders or Spartans would help a lot with that. Also, I think only the cataphractii need a ride - Tartarus should be pretty good without one ^^ Also keep in mind, 60 bodies will give you plenty of room for some weapon conversion sets from FW - for your heavy weapons or support units. Okay this is good information! I'm starting to see that Spartans aren't a bad choice but I'm not entirely sure why (I still have to pick up the Army List Books). So what are good choices when it comes to Weapon Conversion kits? Certain weapon choices stand out better than others? It really depends for what you need the heavy weapons. I *think* heavy flamers and autocannons against infantry, missile launchers as allrounders (and flak), lascannons as tank hunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4539272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks Atia! I'd imagine marines and terminators on the ground don't really last long - I've typically seen that30 Space Marines seems to be a core of any HH army but looking for a little more to expand on. Right - well, you need to bear with me as I usually plan around Zone Mortalis haha. I'm by no means a tactic guide (we have other people like Slipstreams for this ) - but I would imagine some Land Raiders or Spartans would help a lot with that. Also, I think only the cataphractii need a ride - Tartarus should be pretty good without one ^^ Also keep in mind, 60 bodies will give you plenty of room for some weapon conversion sets from FW - for your heavy weapons or support units. Okay this is good information! I'm starting to see that Spartans aren't a bad choice but I'm not entirely sure why (I still have to pick up the Army List Books). So what are good choices when it comes to Weapon Conversion kits? Certain weapon choices stand out better than others? It really depends for what you need the heavy weapons. I *think* heavy flamers and autocannons against infantry, missile launchers as allrounders (and flak), lascannons as tank hunters. Yeah definitely seems like it is in line with similar principles that apply to 40k as well - I'm just not sure of weapons that are not accessible in 40k that are readily available in 30k. I have ordered the Legiones Army Books so once they're in I can get a better idea of what does what and how they might be better applied on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4539434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I'm just not sure of weapons that are not accessible in 40k that are readily available in 30k. Volkites ^.^ Great against imperial guard or xenos :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4539536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 To take a slightly different tack: I suppose I'm looking at this question from three points:What models are needed and "should" have in 30k army? What are models lend themselves to a competitive 30k army? I also thoroughly enjoy the hobby aspect and do like to paint and display great models On the first point: The Legions were vast; almost anything goes. From entire tank armies to reserve companies made up of nothing but Lascannon-toting squads, to void-fighting boarding parties, you can probably do it. With that borne in mind, where do you start? I'd encourage you to start by thinking of your favourite stories of the Vlka Fenryka. What do you picture in your mind's eye? A brooding group of warriors stalking through the wind and snow? The clean lines of Legionaries darting from cover to cover? A flight of Thunderhawks? Any of these can work; my point is that with a strong visual in place, you'll find it much easier to create an army that you're ultimately pleased with, rather than just a grey version of what everyone else has. Personally, I think almost any Horus Heresy army is enhanced by having at least two twenty-strong Legion Tactical Squads. Basic, unadorned and iconic. On the second point, I don't really know where to start. I'll leave that to posters who play more competitively and can answer better than me. For the third, you can go for Legion vehicles like the Contemptor or Predator, with their clean lines – perfect for intricate freehand or transfers – but equally you can turn your attention to the battle-brothers of the Rout infantry, and give each one a paintjob that tells his proud individual story... Looking forward to seeing where you take your army; good luck! This advice is definitely appreciated - it's how I've approached my 40k counter part armies (both The VI legion as well as the IX)! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4539764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 What about a Storm Eagle vs a Fire Raptor - any pros and cons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4545121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exark Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Storm Eagles would be more for Anti tank given their ability to take wing mounted lascannons plus they can serve as transports. In the case of the Fire Raptors they're more geared for Anti infantry so it really depends on what you need and want to do. That said I HIGHLY recommend the Fire Raptor with a Reaper battery if you have a free heavy slot. I almost never play a game without one, and they'be never disappointed me. Seriously I've snatched a few victories simply by virtue of it coming on and bashing my opponents teeth in. Also Laser vindis for Anti tank Oh and sicarans the base tank is amazing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4545311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 The wolves designed the whirlwind scorpius and it's a hell of a vehicle plus looks amazing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4545323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 The wolves designed the whirlwind scorpius and it's a hell of a vehicle plus looks amazing. You don't say? This I did not know - very interesting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4545360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 I also don't have the red books yet, they are on order - not exactly sure how good/not good the Scorpius is haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4545364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I would recommend: HQ just don't spend more than 150 in one, can even use russ for it (with termies and vets as troops), put as less as possible Elite Cataphractii termis are too good to pass, quad mortars with shatter shells are nice vs armour 13 o lower, veterans ar also a good option, specially with sniper. Forget about destroyers Troops tacticals are good to defend ground, asault squads are now quite cheap and support squads with volkite calivers are cheap and effective, breacher squads seem to be quite useless for the price FA the lightning is your best fighter with either kraken antitank or sunfury antipersonal missiles, stormeagles are a good assault transport (outshining the fire raptor at shooting even) but you'll be better off with dreadclaws HS devastator squads are overpriced, get laser destroyer vindicators, executioner predators are great for antipersonal, better/cheaper than a russ Speaking of dreads the leviathan is too pricey and the deredo epic vs flyers the rest, well I've seen to many of them die in games As for lords of war get either a primarch or a typhon tank, primarchs tend not to die so they're always a good investment to sum up antitank: laser vindis/quad mortars/kraken lightnings antipersonal: tacticals/executioner preds/sunfury lightning transport: dreadclaws Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4545401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 I would recommend: HQ just don't spend more than 150 in one, can even use russ for it (with termies and vets as troops), put as less as possible Elite Cataphractii termis are too good to pass, quad mortars with shatter shells are nice vs armour 13 o lower, veterans ar also a good option, specially with sniper. Forget about destroyers Troops tacticals are good to defend ground, asault squads are now quite cheap and support squads with volkite calivers are cheap and effective, breacher squads seem to be quite useless for the price FA the lightning is your best fighter with either kraken antitank or sunfury antipersonal missiles, stormeagles are a good assault transport (outshining the fire raptor at shooting even) but you'll be better off with dreadclaws HS devastator squads are overpriced, get laser destroyer vindicators, executioner predators are great for antipersonal, better/cheaper than a russ Speaking of dreads the leviathan is too pricey and the deredo epic vs flyers the rest, well I've seen to many of them die in games As for lords of war get either a primarch or a typhon tank, primarchs tend not to die so they're always a good investment to sum up antitank: laser vindis/quad mortars/kraken lightnings antipersonal: tacticals/executioner preds/sunfury lightning transport: dreadclaws Thank you - I will consider this when I put myself to study when the books come! Very much appreiated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4545464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Most of the baneblade variants are available as low as well 40 despoilers in a stormlord seems a valid option for the vith deleting meq by the bucketload Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327031-30k-vlka-fenryka-building-the-vi-legion/#findComment-4552137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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