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Leman Russ, The Great Wolf by Chris Wraight (LE)

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skarn Veteran

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Why would he be dead? The revelation of russ' plan deliberately came to angron prior to the end of the duel.

And the duel itself wasnt over. Russ was getting the worst of it by the end, but if you think that one person being on the ground in a fight between two unarmed fighter is conclusive, you should watch more ufc.

 

That was my reading of it anyway. Similar to the hulk and thor fight in the avengers movie, with hulk getting the upper hand when the fight is stopped but thor was far from done. And russ was losing to magnus before he won.

skarn Veteran

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Im not biased towards russ, gk are my favs and everyone knows how their fight with uber angron went. I just think that duel was one of the better bits of BL fiction, with multiple interpretations possible depending on your perspective, and I think that it does a disservice to ADB to just say russ got flogged.

 

Or maybe ADB will pop in and tell me I'm wrong haha!

b1soul Venerable Brother

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We know that Russ considers the fight with Angron a case of stooping to conquer.

Not really "stooping"...

more like charging at Angron with weapons drawn, only to be thoroughly dominated in front of his men

We must have read different books, because thats not what happened at all.

What book did you read?

 

Russ charged Angron

Angron spanked Russ

 

The controversy is whether Russ held back (yeah...maybe...but u could also argue Angron held back some as well)

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We know that Russ considers the fight with Angron a case of stooping to conquer.

Not really "stooping"...

more like charging at Angron with weapons drawn, only to be thoroughly dominated in front of his men

We must have read different books, because thats not what happened at all.

What book did you read?

 

Russ charged Angron

Angron spanked Russ

 

The controversy is whether Russ held back (yeah...maybe...but u could also argue Angron held back some as well)

 

No such controversy exists. It's clear as day what actually happened and it's the only reason why SW currently exist in the HH series, to show how cool and badass other legions are because of how they managed to beat the crap out of them.

 

FTT, Betrayer, Scars, Wolf King - all these books prove that. Even in ATS the final duel was worded in such a way that Magnus basically gave up at the end and let Russ win.

 

Everything that was established or hinted at in PB was ridiculed or flat out dismissed in later books because the authors agreed that SW would otherwise be too OP. And I doubt it's ever going to change unless they allow Abnett or King to write them like in the old days.

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Magnus single-handedly blew up a phantom titan with psychic power.

 

That is a little out of Russ' league.

Yet Russ is immune to Magnus's witchfires and maledictions. He's even able to brake Magnus's (likely) biomanced arm like a twig.

 

That's something I don't think any other primarch (besides buffed Lorgar and Horus) would be capable of.

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Hurrah, another thread devolving into arguments about power levels!

 

To be honest, I got the impression that this kind of perpetual, useless, dead-on-its-feet argument was being made fun of in the Russ/Angron fight and the way Lorgar and Angron talked about it.

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Magnus single-handedly blew up a phantom titan with psychic power.

 

That is a little out of Russ' league.

 

Yet Russ is immune to Magnus's witchfires and maledictions. He's even able to brake Magnus's (likely) biomanced arm like a twig.

 

That's something I don't think any other primarch (besides buffed Lorgar and Horus) would be capable of.

Russ didn't brake anything

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Magnus single-handedly blew up a phantom titan with psychic power.

 

That is a little out of Russ' league.

Yet Russ is immune to Magnus's witchfires and maledictions. He's even able to brake Magnus's (likely) biomanced arm like a twig.

 

That's something I don't think any other primarch (besides buffed Lorgar and Horus) would be capable of.

Russ didn't brake anything

 

Hm? It's been awhile since I read the book, but I seem to remember Russ breaking Magnus' arm. Could be wrong though.

Mellow Battle-Brother

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Why would he be dead? The revelation of russ' plan deliberately came to angron prior to the end of the duel.

And the duel itself wasnt over. Russ was getting the worst of it by the end, but if you think that one person being on the ground in a fight between two unarmed fighter is conclusive, you should watch more ufc.

 

That was my reading of it anyway. Similar to the hulk and thor fight in the avengers movie, with hulk getting the upper hand when the fight is stopped but thor was far from done. And russ was losing to magnus before he won.

I believe Russ was crawling on the ground face in the dirt towards his sword because Angron had disarmed him because Angron is badass and Russ wanted to teach him a lesson about how to get yourself cut off and killed. The only problem is that Angron would have taken out Russ.

 

I also believe that Russ only beat Magnus because he caught him in the eye. This confuses me because Magnus would have probably had witch sight and would have been able to continue the duel regardless. That said Russ had a special howl that was quite effective at giving Psykers bad feedback that esssentially killed them so that must have been causing Magnus some pain.

 

Any-who. When will this book be release on iBooks?

Zeratil Battle-Brother

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Magnus single-handedly blew up a phantom titan with psychic power.

 

That is a little out of Russ' league.

Yet Russ is immune to Magnus's witchfires and maledictions. He's even able to brake Magnus's (likely) biomanced arm like a twig.

 

That's something I don't think any other primarch (besides buffed Lorgar and Horus) would be capable of.

Russ didn't brake anything

 

Hm? It's been awhile since I read the book, but I seem to remember Russ breaking Magnus' arm. Could be wrong though.

 

Russ breaks Magnus' arm 'into a thousand pieces', in between Magnus punching Russ so hard it breaks his armour, ribcage and drives the remnants of both into his heart and him stabbing Russ through the chest again with a 'blade made of pure thought'. Russ' blow to Magnus' eye is described as being lucky, or 'fated', but before that they were both going at it hammer and tongs. There's little sign that either was on the losing end before that. 

 

Edit: Magnus being hit in the eye is described as only distracting him for a split second, but it was a second that Russ took good advantage of. Additionally when Magnus was struck the psychic storm around them both was extinguished, perhaps as Magnus lost concentration, perhaps because his eye is necessary or important to his psychic abilities. Russ takes advantage of this while Magnus reels back and, it seems, is using psychic power to regenerate his shattered arm. Exploiting that brief opportunity to my eye is something Russ would be capable of where perhaps other Primarchs wouldn't be. 

 

Also I'd love a spoiler tagged summary of the book when someone gets a chance...

Mellow Battle-Brother

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Primarchs do not require psychic powers to regenerate. They appear to have extremely rapid regeneration. For example Fulgrim is being tortured in a very filthy way and his foot gets a blow torch to it that melts away his skin and flesh so that bone is visible. A few paragraphs later and a thin film of flesh has begun to grow back.
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In The Reflection Crack'd? That'd be after his daemonic possession, though. By that point he banished the daemon already, but chances are he got more than just knowledge from it before that happened. I'm not sure I'd chalk that up to Primarch regeneration alone (though I agree, the Primarchs are able to heal from a damn lot of stuff)

Zeratil Battle-Brother

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Primarchs do not require psychic powers to regenerate. They appear to have extremely rapid regeneration. For example Fulgrim is being tortured in a very filthy way and his foot gets a blow torch to it that melts away his skin and flesh so that bone is visible. A few paragraphs later and a thin film of flesh has begun to grow back.

The quote is "his shattered arm crackled with regenerative energies." Which sounds much more like psychic powers than a primarch's natural regeneration to me. Put it this way, given how strong a primarchs ability to regenerate has been shown to be, think how powerful and fast Magnus' could be with psychic assistance.

skarn Veteran

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What book did you read?

 

Russ charged Angron

Angron spanked Russ

 

The controversy is whether Russ held back (yeah...maybe...but u could also argue Angron held back some as well)

Sure, "Angron spanked Russ." Sounds like a direct quote of ABDs writing. ;)

Russ never intended to kill Angron, but had a backup plan in case he wasnt able to beat him into submission, which he wasn't. At least that was my understanding of the fight. Could Russ beat Angron 1v1 to the death? I would favour him, but it could go either way.

Runefyre Veteran

Runefyre

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What book did you read?

Russ charged Angron

Angron spanked Russ

The controversy is whether Russ held back (yeah...maybe...but u could also argue Angron held back some as well)

Sure, "Angron spanked Russ." Sounds like a direct quote of ABDs writing. msn-wink.gif

Russ never intended to kill Angron, but had a backup plan in case he wasnt able to beat him into submission, which he wasn't. At least that was my understanding of the fight. Could Russ beat Angron 1v1 to the death? I would favour him, but it could go either way.

Perhaps a separate thread should be opened for the discussion YET ANOTHER discussion of Russ v Angron. Though granted we now have a little more info on Russ' considerable capabilities.

Anyway, so has anyone read the book yet? I'm dying for some spoilers right now.

Allart01 Veteran

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What book did you read?

Russ charged Angron

Angron spanked Russ

The controversy is whether Russ held back (yeah...maybe...but u could also argue Angron held back some as well)

Sure, "Angron spanked Russ." Sounds like a direct quote of ABDs writing. msn-wink.gif

Russ never intended to kill Angron, but had a backup plan in case he wasnt able to beat him into submission, which he wasn't. At least that was my understanding of the fight. Could Russ beat Angron 1v1 to the death? I would favour him, but it could go either way.

Perhaps a separate thread should be opened for the discussion YET ANOTHER discussion of Russ v Angron. Though granted we now have a little more info on Russ' considerable capabilities.

Anyway, so has anyone read the book yet? I'm dying for some spoilers right now.

Yup, I can't wait to start a gazillion of "Lion spanked Russ but Russ was holding back" debates.

I'm tired of the ones with Angron, so I'll put my second favourite Primarch in his place. tongue.png

Runefyre Veteran

Runefyre

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What book did you read?

Russ charged Angron

Angron spanked Russ

The controversy is whether Russ held back (yeah...maybe...but u could also argue Angron held back some as well)

Sure, "Angron spanked Russ." Sounds like a direct quote of ABDs writing. msn-wink.gif

Russ never intended to kill Angron, but had a backup plan in case he wasnt able to beat him into submission, which he wasn't. At least that was my understanding of the fight. Could Russ beat Angron 1v1 to the death? I would favour him, but it could go either way.

Perhaps a separate thread should be opened for the discussion YET ANOTHER discussion of Russ v Angron. Though granted we now have a little more info on Russ' considerable capabilities.

Anyway, so has anyone read the book yet? I'm dying for some spoilers right now.

Yup, I can't wait to start a gazillion of "Lion spanked Russ but Russ was holding back" debates.

I'm tired of the ones with Angron, so I'll put my second favourite Primarch in his place. tongue.png

I hope since the whole book is focusing on the Dulan campaign, we'll see a much clearer picture of what went on when compared to the relatively small blurb in Betrayer.

I'm really tired of obscure outcomes (especially in 1v1's), just give us a clear winner, loser, or plainly tell us it could have gone both ways. Is it really that hard?

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