Leman Russ, The Great Wolf by Chris Wraight (LE)

[Scribe]

Lol it was plain when Angron got Russ to attack him, and then Russ crawled way in the dirt.

 

We know who won the 1v1, it's plain as it gets.

[Mellow]

 

Primarchs do not require psychic powers to regenerate. They appear to have extremely rapid regeneration. For example Fulgrim is being tortured in a very filthy way and his foot gets a blow torch to it that melts away his skin and flesh so that bone is visible. A few paragraphs later and a thin film of flesh has begun to grow back.

The quote is "his shattered arm crackled with regenerative energies." Which sounds much more like psychic powers than a primarch's natural regeneration to me. Put it this way, given how strong a primarchs ability to regenerate has been shown to be, think how powerful and fast Magnus' could be with psychic assistance.

 

 

An interesting quote. Although we know that Primarchs were created through Science and Warp-craft (essentially warp craft) the "crackling" could be a physical noise of advanced biologies healing or infact a warp component. Either way there's not enough written evidence to conclude either possibility.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Lol it was plain when Angron got Russ to attack him, and then Russ crawled way in the dirt.

 

We know who won the 1v1, it's plain as it gets.

We reall dont or this conversation wouldn't be happening. Again

 

Presenting your opinion as fact doesn't make it so.

[Scribe]

Nothing I said wasnt explicitly in the text my good moderati. :]

[Runefyre]

Nothing I said wasnt explicitly in the text my good moderati. :]

Nope. It's still your opinion. And other people have their interpretation as well. How can that be if it's as "plain as day".

 

Usually it's best to disclaim your statements by saying it's just your opinion (as because we're not speaking in person it's easy to misconstrue the emotions of whoever is on the other side of the Internet Gulf).

[Scribe]

Did Russ attack Angron? He does. Its plain in the text that Russ rushes at Angron and cross blades with him.

Did Russ crawl away from Angron? He does. Its plain in the text that Russ is on the ground as Angron stands above him looking out at the battle.

 

These are not opinions, its in the text.

 

EDIT: For the record, let it be shown that I didnt start this one. :D

[Runefyre]

Did Russ attack Angron? He does. Its plain in the text that Russ rushes at Angron and cross blades with him.

Did Russ crawl away from Angron? He does. Its plain in the text that Russ is on the ground as Angron stands above him looking out at the battle.

These are not opinions, its in the text.

EDIT: For the record, let it be shown that I didnt start this one.

But did it say he wasn't pulling his punches? Did it say that he was actually beat? It's plain as day that Russ was intent on NOT killing Angron.

For the Record: you're welcome to continue it

[Midgard]

I get a feeling that the outcome of any given Primarch battle will heavily depend on circumstances of that particular battle, the actual objective of the confrontation, the means at their disposal, etc. Case in the point: multiple rounds of Konrad Curze versus the Lion. Just because a given confrontation had a certain outcome, does not mean that another confrontation between the same two combatants would produce the same result, not too different from a tabletop encounter between two roughly similar ICs where the dice tends to decide the winner (though with large enough number of combats, some trends may begin to emerge, it is not a certainty). As such, IMO it is pointless to debate who would beat whom in a Primarch battle - the answer is that anybody can beat anybody.

 

Back to the topic at hand, I am looking forward to this novel. I have enjoyed Wraight's previous depictions of the Wolves, and hope that he does Russ justice.

[Scribe]

Well if you can show in the text that an attacker who instigated a physical confrontation pulled his punches, feel free.

It IS noted that Angron let Russ crawl away, in the text, so I guess we do know, again via the actual text and not biased make believe, that Angron pulled back.

Now, I dont know if you've done any sparing, but generally if you are on the ground and your opponent is not, you have lost, but maybe thats just my experience. :]

Russ certainly had no sanctioned right to kill Angron, you are correct on that point, Angron even points it out to Russ.

EDIT: To the ninja above me, you are right, I think its safe to say any Primarch could stand a chance to defeat another.

The dice fell Angron's way this time, as the text points out, thats all.

[Forward Assist]

So...

 

...nothing about the book in the thread title then?

[DarkChaplain]

Nope, just yet another argument about Russ and power levels...

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Nope, just yet another argument about Russ and power levels...

 

Gah, you're right.

 

I feel into a discussion I should have avoided. 

 

Is it too hypocritical to say let's get back on topic here?

[Mellow]

When does the book get released to iBooks?

 

(I hope that is back on topic)

[R_F_D]

When does the book get released to iBooks?

 

(I hope that is back on topic)

January

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/january/leman-russ-ebook.html

 

Still waiting for mine to land on my doormat, seemingly taking longer than usual but that could just be me.

[Hfran Morkai]

So I've just read the first four chapters.

 

 

 

Loving the fact that the Wolves are still their distinct selves with the Priesthoods.

 

Void combat for the win, just as I imagine the Wolves, get close and board the enemy.

 

The Dulan are a very tricky adversary, with their own version of power armour and horrifically effective shielding and weapons, and even something akin to a Leviathan Dreadnought but nastier.

 

The first meeting in the book with Russ and the Lion, incredibly evocative. Russ saying he admires that the Lion and Guilliman are so good at bringing world's to heel and building the Empire but he and his sons are only really useful for destruction.

 

 

 

 

Going to give it a break as don't want it to be over too soon.

[Runefyre]

MOAR PLZ

[HeritorA]

So to the guys who already get the book - like Mikal Wolfheart

Spoilers please.

Not actually read any of it yet. Waiting until tomorrow as that's when my weekend starts.

Waiting with baited breath for MORE MOARRRRRR!!!!!

[Hfran Morkai]

 

 

 

The Wulfen aren't widely known among the VIth. In fact the Jarl and Priests of Dekk Tra are concerned it is purely their Company afflicted and keep it from Russ and the rest of the Legion. I can't help but feel the secrecy is going to shoot the VIth in the foot.

 

Russ again shows intellect and wisdom, the barbarian imagery being shown as a front as we've seen earlier. He even mentions his knightly brother and his legion as the barbarians.

 

[Forward Assist]

Thanks Mikal - is it written as this the first time the pair meet?

[b1soul]

 

What book did you read?

Russ charged Angron

Angron spanked Russ

The controversy is whether Russ held back (yeah...maybe...but u could also argue Angron held back some as well)

Sure, "Angron spanked Russ." Sounds like a direct quote of ABDs writing. ;)

Russ never intended to kill Angron, but had a backup plan in case he wasnt able to beat him into submission, which he wasn't. At least that was my understanding of the fight. Could Russ beat Angron 1v1 to the death? I would favour him, but it could go either way.

Did Angron intend to kill Russ?

[Hfran Morkai]

Thanks Mikal - is it written as this the first time the pair meet?

 

 

No, they must have met at least once before as Russ mentioned he had barely received two words from the Lion

 

 

If I'm inaccurate you'll have to forgive me. Working long weeks at the moment and permanently exhausted.

[DarKnight]

Let me know if this isn't the appropriate place for it, but am I the only one that's perturbed by the whole "Russ is pretending to be a barbarian" thing? Obviously the Wolves know the galaxy is bigger than just Fenris and I'm sure Russ landed on Fenris with this knowledge innately within him, but continuing the "charade" if you want to call it that just seems pointless to me. It just seems pointless to pretend to be one or the other. He's a Primarch, it's obvious they're all deeper than they appear. Right?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I think that question may be better suited to the Age of Darkness subforum

 

There is a long topic discussing Russ, the Wolves and their identity

[R_F_D]

Received my copy when I came back from work about 4 hours ago, about 100 pages in which is the start of Chapter 4.

It's good, as one has now come to expect from Wraight although I haven't read my copy of Guilliman for contrast.

 

Let me know if this isn't the appropriate place for it, but am I the only one that's perturbed by the whole "Russ is pretending to be a barbarian" thing? Obviously the Wolves know the galaxy is bigger than just Fenris and I'm sure Russ landed on Fenris with this knowledge innately within him, but continuing the "charade" if you want to call it that just seems pointless to me. It just seems pointless to pretend to be one or the other. He's a Primarch, it's obvious they're all deeper than they appear. Right?

Not to draw the ire of the above but this, to me at least, is touched on in The Great Wolf with the perspective of a Jarl who remembers Russ from when they were shield brothers under Thengir before the Emperor arrives; I hope that isn't too much of a spoiler.

[b1soul]

Russ...the 10ft tall shield brother

 

Just funny to picture