cephalopod Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I personally like brushes and taking my time. What about you guys? What are your favorite methods and techniques? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 If you can spray the base coat, you should, every time. So much faster, ensures a smooth even coat, totally the way to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4544054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I use both brush and airbrush. Both are usefull in different ways and for different technics. Nothing beats an airbrush for doing most work of an Space Marine army in a short time but it needs to be paint brush work too for the full potential. So its not a real yes or no for one of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4544128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I will echo many of the statements above. I prime and basecoat with an airbrush. and then do my secondary colors, edge highlighting, and recess shading all with a regular brush. When combined, it actually doesn't take too long to do a unit of Space Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4546060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Spraying is not very useful for much more than basecoating if you mean spraying from rattle cans. Airbrushing is the way to go for 85-90% of what it takes to finish a model. With my airbrush I can prime, basecoat, layer, highlight and shade. The paints blend together much better when using an airbrush and since the paints are so thin they produce very good results on the miniatures. I suggest looking at some of buypainted's videos on youtube to see different ways an airbrush can be used to paint miniatures. Brushes of course are invaluable tools of painting. IMO they are best used for the 10-15% of fine® details on the model.. i.e. faces/flesh, some weapons, purity seals, markings... etc. The reason I've decided to use less brushing on my mini's is it is more time consuming and involved to get the same amount of consistency I can get from an airbrush. Where it would take half an hour to get the basecoat and layer done on a space marine with a brush it takes maybe 5 minutes with an airbrush. And there is no worry about making sure enough coats of paints are brushed on for even color or accidentally brushing on too much paint leaving a thick inconsistent surface over the mini. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4546079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daevyll Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Depends on the model. For Space Marines (or any full armour model), the airbrush is fantastic since so much of the model can be done at the same time. However when painting stuff that has a lot of differently colored parts (like genestealer cult) I tend to only airbrush the primer and basecoat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4549312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Switching colors and cleaning out the airbrush comes close to negating a lot of the time savings you get from spraying faster than brushing. I'm going to invent a way to swap colors in an airbrush instantly and become rich. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4549705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 For me its all about the brush. But that's because I paint socially with my wife and kids running around the room around me. I cannot do that with a airbrush as I would need a more isolated location. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4549768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Takatus Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Switching colors and cleaning out the airbrush comes close to negating a lot of the time savings you get from spraying faster than brushing. I'm going to invent a way to swap colors in an airbrush instantly and become rich. You just reminded me of the old GW April Fools' joke about the odd rotary spraygun thing. Sadly the page no longer exists but some pictures remain. http://s945.photobucket.com/user/Mister_Bruce/media/April%20Fools%202013/AF2013_Spraygun_zps3563bf81.jpg.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4550974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 It takes me no more than 5 minutes to change paint colors with my airbrush and that's if it really has a lot of gunk or dried paint in it that needs to be cleaned out. Not to mention the ability to finish models in batches completely makes up for anytime that may be lost in switching paints. I'm sorry... this just isn't very accurate. Maybe if a really low quality airbrushed is used.. you may have a point there, I don't know. I use an Iwata Eclipse HP-CS and cleaning it out to switch color is a breeze. The most time consuming part is probably the fact I have to walk to and from the bathroom to rinse and clean. Switching colors and cleaning out the airbrush comes close to negating a lot of the time savings you get from spraying faster than brushing. I'm going to invent a way to swap colors in an airbrush instantly and become rich. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4554961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 How is it not accurate? Five minutes to swap colors compared to 1 second to swap is a 29,900% increase in time required. You take nearly 30,000% more time, or 300 times more seconds to change a single color. Now count how many colors you use in a very complex model. And you just admitted that you have to even get up and walk to a sink to do it. Even if we assume you have an airbrush cleaning pot or a nice big tub of water to contain your backflush, that's another ridiculous thing you need to have nearby compared to just twirling your brush in a cup of water. The fact of the matter is airbrushes are far more cumbersome than paintbrushes. That's a fact, not an opinion. Airbrushing is still worth it but you don't want non-airbrushers to get this false impression that it's super quick and easy. It's not. It's messy, cumbersome, and requires tons of room and extra accessories. If it didn't save you so much time on basecoating and blending and gave you a unique look, nobody would even bother with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4555496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Spray the the undercoat and brush the rest. I can do atop notch table quality squad of Marines in a couple of days . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4555525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 How is it not accurate? Five minutes to swap colors compared to 1 second to swap is a 29,900% increase in time required. You take nearly 30,000% more time, or 300 times more seconds to change a single color. Now count how many colors you use in a very complex model. And you just admitted that you have to even get up and walk to a sink to do it. Even if we assume you have an airbrush cleaning pot or a nice big tub of water to contain your backflush, that's another ridiculous thing you need to have nearby compared to just twirling your brush in a cup of water. The fact of the matter is airbrushes are far more cumbersome than paintbrushes. That's a fact, not an opinion. Airbrushing is still worth it but you don't want non-airbrushers to get this false impression that it's super quick and easy. It's not. It's messy, cumbersome, and requires tons of room and extra accessories. If it didn't save you so much time on basecoating and blending and gave you a unique look, nobody would even bother with it. Because you're not taking into account how much faster paint dries when using an airbrush. I may have to wait 5 (or more) minutes just for a model to dry when painting with a brush before I can start painting again otherwise you run the risk of brush stroke showing on the models surface because you brushed over a partially dried area. You say "count how many colors you use in a very complex model." Okay, fine.. even if I'm using 5 colors on that one complex model.. the airbrush still speeds up the process and reduces the time you would need to take blending the colors and creating highlights. The airbrush is also going to give way better coverage over the surface of the model which saves time on building up coats of color in order to get good coverage with a brush. The only involved process when it comes to using an airbrush is cleaning between colors. If you are starting with a darker color and your next subsequent colors are all lighter then it really is as simple as rinsing out the paint cup and then filling the paint cup with water to shoot until the nozzle is clean. Load up your next color and you're done. It is a misconception that airbrushes are messy and require a ton of room. If that is your experience, fine, state so and leave it at that. I believe that people are more intimidated by airbrushes because of some of those misconceptions or bad personal experience you tried to talk about... There is a learning curve (which there is with brush painting as well) but in no way is using an airbrush that big of a headache. I have had more trouble using a brush than I have had using my airbrush and that is why I predominantly paint with my airbrush now. Airbrushers certainly do not use them because they "save you so much time on basecoating, blending, and gave you a unique look..." It's about good consistent results that are easily repeatable and it's the ability to do a lot more mini's at one time than other wise possible with a brush. Airbrushes also give a more professional looking finished product because of how much smoother of a coating that can be achieved when using an airbrush. Now if you wanted to make the argument that painting with a brush is much cheaper... I'd be inclined to agree with you there. Anyone getting into airbrushing is going to have to spend a little bit of $$$ to get a setup that will be more conducive to achieving a good product. Also, are you taking into account how much harder it is to paint a large model with a brush? Have you painted a Land Raider with a brush? A Thunderhawk? a Warhound or Reaver? Brushes are much more apt to doing smaller mini's than they are larger models. I can do like I said earlier 90-95% of every single part of a mini with an airbrush and it's really only finer details that require a brush. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4555542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Use a larger brush for larger models. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you try to paint a Land Raider with a size 0 paintbrush I might as well say airbrushes are stupid because you tried to paint a 25mm model with an automotive spray gun. I seriously don't understand why you persist with these arguments like "simply load up the cup and shoot until its empty". That's STILL slower than simply swirling your paintbrush in a cup. All I said was airbrushes take more time on the mechanical side. Which it'd have to, because they are complex machines and not a stick with some hair on the end. You're reaching too hard to try to prove some point about how airbrushes are superior when they're not. It's apples and oranges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4555560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mateus of ultramar Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I used to rattle can prime/basecoat all of my kits, but I fairly recently got an airbrush, and oh man, such an improvement, but Im of the mindset that everybody has a process and none is inherently better then the other, I perfer to prime and basecoat with my airbrush, highlight and detail with my brushes then varnish again with my airbrush, it just works well for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4555703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I seriously don't understand why you persist with these arguments like "simply load up the cup and shoot until its empty". That's STILL slower than simply swirling your paintbrush in a cup. All I said was airbrushes take more time on the mechanical side. Which it'd have to, because they are complex machines and not a stick with some hair on the end. With more practise you will need less time on the mechanical side. The other side is you compare single miniature painting with batch painting. Yes if you go for a single GW Infantry miniature you will be faster with a brush than an airbrush, noone will deny that. But compare the time you need to paint 20+ models of a squad or regiment all with highlights or other effects, doubt you can being that fast with a brush. Another point is numbers of layers you need to paint a color, i find it more easier to paint bright or pastel colors with an airbrush than with a brush and you can do easier highlights. Next point is, you dont need paint swapping that much, you can easily mix your colors in the airbrush. Just add some white or other colors like VMC Ivory in your cup, close the muzzle with your fingers, pull the trigger softly and you have mixed your highlight color, repeat for next highlight step. (Dont pull the trigger to much or you will have a mess of paint all over you). There are alot of other tricks and technics you can do to reduce the time when working with an airbrush. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327197-spraying-vs-brush/#findComment-4555837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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