Haemotrope Reactors, a new Mechanicus terrain piece!

[Kolvin]

There's no attachment that could link a Plasma Obliterator to it as far as I can see.

 

But I'm amused that people are now going to look at my Plasma Destroyers with abject fear. :-P

[MoGuy]

I've spoken out for the Plasma Destroyers time and again. And every time people told me that Grav is just better. But now that the Plasmadestroyers can shoot 2 5" S7 AP2 blasts PER DUDE I think they are better than the Gravdestroyers. And if you are afraid of burning your lobotomised weaponplatforms then just plop a Dominus in there with the IWND Artefact. He can heal a wound every turn on a 2+ anyway. 

[MagicHat]

I've spoken out for the Plasma Destroyers time and again. And every time people told me that Grav is just better. But now that the Plasmadestroyers can shoot 2 5" S7 AP2 blasts PER DUDE I think they are better than the Gravdestroyers. And if you are afraid of burning your lobotomised weaponplatforms then just plop a Dominus in there with the IWND Artefact. He can heal a wound every turn on a 2+ anyway. 

 

Grav still have range, even more so as the plasma is bound by the haemothrope reactors. 

Plus, there are still situations were the grav will outshine even large blast templates, like against MC and vehicles. 

 

Having a squad in the middle of your deployment and daring the opposition to come closer is very tempting though. Then put a DW Aquila kill team with snipers and a Librarian close by and get prescience.

[MoGuy]

 

 

Plus, there are still situations were the grav will outshine even large blast templates, like against MC and vehicles.

 

Our army is loaded up to the cogs with Haywire weapons. We don't need Grav to take care of vehicles. It is handy against MCs, indeed. In the War Convo they don't even burn themselves anymore - but that's the big cheese right there.

[Vel'Cona]

My take on the Plasma vs. Grav Kataphron Destroyers argument:

 

[Terminus]

I'll probably just up-armor my arc breachers (no need for their haywire IMO anymore with the new Skitarii melee dudes or the Vultarax robot incoming), and paint the guns in plasma colors rather than arc.  Will need to break the claw arms off, though, which I'm not looking forward to. :( 

[Kolvin]

I mix my units. Grav + Plasma and Arc + Plasma.

 

That way the destruction of one unit doesn't mean I lose access to a crucial weapon.

[Terminus]

I find trying to make generalist units just ensures they aren't particularly good at anything.

[DanPesci]

Culverins are 18" IIRC>

 

Terminus is correct.

War Convocation multiplied by 3 is a lot of points as well.

 

Ahh, fairly new to admech, apologies, 

 

i thought the war convocation was just a CAD of skitarii, CAD of CM, and knight, (so you could take multiple vanguard in the CAD), not the battle maniple where you can only take 1 unit of vanguard.

[Jolemai]

What in the Emperor's name is Battlefield Debris?  Is this a possible 8th edition thing?

 

A bit late to the party, but you can read all about battlefield debris in Stronghold Assault. For example, a quad gun is battlefield debris.

[CommodusXIII]

Yeah, Battlefield Debris is pretty much any purchasable terrain piece that isn't technically a building (no Armour Value).  So, things like gun emplacements, razorwire, tank traps, etc.

 

I don't know if I agree with this falling into that category - I think it would be better-suited as a Small Impassable Building like a scaled-down Void Shield Generator, but this is the way it is.

[Vel'Cona]

 

What in the Emperor's name is Battlefield Debris?  Is this a possible 8th edition thing?

 

A bit late to the party, but you can read all about battlefield debris in Stronghold Assault. For example, a quad gun is battlefield debris.

 

 

Indeed, my ignorance has been purged by my recent purchase of the new supplement.  I'm a massive fan of Cityfight and I always had a soft spot for sieges too, and having the terrain updated and collated makes my cogitation unit content.

[gmaleron]

I think a lot of the Plasma vs. Grav debate comes down to total Army composition of your particular Force. Does your army lack horde control and AP2? Take the Plasma with this Fortification. Does your army lack the ability to reliably bring down monsters creatures that are over running your local scene? Grav it is.