Dhar'Neth Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 How many Gal Vorbak can fit into Caestus assault ram, 5 or 10? And how many slots in this transport does Lorgar take? The wording of the misericord is ambiguous for me. Thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of the 30th Host Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Basically, all the Misericord rule says is that models in Terminator Armour (of any sort) do not have the Bulky Special Rule in this Transport - So you can put 10 Terminators in there instead of the usual 5 in a capacity 10 transport. As this loss of the Bulky rule only applies to Terminators, Gal Vorbak and Lorgar are unaffected. So, to answer the question, 5 Gal Vorbak in it as they still count as 2 models each. Equally, Lorgar has the Bulky Special Rule, and doesn't lose it as he isn't in Terminator Armour, so he also takes up 2 slots. Meaning that you can't have Gal Vorbak and Lorgar together in there as the minimum Gal Vorbak squad size is 5 which is max capacity before Lorgar is added. You could however fit Lorgar and 8 models in Terminstor Armour in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4545330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhar'Neth Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 Ok. Thx. Fine by RAW however illogical as it means that one compartment is large enough to fit 3 Gal Vorbak but the other can fit only two, despite both of them being equal size. Guess those two have really long horns xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4545338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Pretty sure that the model actually has a specific restriction on the transport capacity in the Misericord rule, being it can only transport models in Power Armour, Artificer Armour and Terminator armour, numbering 10, ignoring bulky. Models NOT in those types of armour cannot be transported. I dont know the Gal Vorbak unit entry, but unless they have either of the three armour types, they cannot be transported in the Ram. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4545408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Well Gal Vorbak have power armor, so technically they can still be transported by the Caetus. However, only terminators get to ignore the bulky special rule, so gal vorbak are out of luck there. Also Logar doesn't have power or terminator armor so he can't be transported in a Caetus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4545421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterkho Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 In all fairness, the rules for the Caestus assault ram were written before there were any Gal Vorbak i can hardly imagine anyone being a dick about it.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4545759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 It's all done to raw and how harsh people want to be with it as it's clearly outdated now. in most friendly games just ask before hand and have a backup plan. We always play it as 10 of unit inc primarchs, it's just simpler and fairer that way and no one gets stuffed by old badly written rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4545774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 How is this an outdated and badly written rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4546341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 If it was a tournament id say no it's raw. But on a friendly game id let 5 and lorgar slide. Depends what your games are like bud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4546501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I always imagined that it was designed to mount/harness all types of marine armor in 10 predesigned harnesses at set intervals and then a ramp; as opposed to a rhino which is a box where you can fit as much as you can fit volumetrically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4547443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I always imagined that it was designed to mount/harness all types of marine armor in 10 predesigned harnesses at set intervals and then a ramp; as opposed to a rhino which is a box where you can fit as much as you can fit volumetrically. Pretty much this. Hilariously though because Horus and Perturabo are technically in "Terminator Armour" as per the FAQ they can count as a single point of capacity inside one :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4549410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhar'Neth Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 Well Gal Vorbak have power armor, so technically they can still be transported by the Caetus. However, only terminators get to ignore the bulky special rule, so gal vorbak are out of luck there. Also Logar doesn't have power or terminator armor so he can't be transported in a Caetus. He has artificer armour, so he can be transported. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4562542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 He still counts as bulky unfortunately. The rule Is worded as follows "the caestus has a transport capacity of 10 models, but may only transport models in power armour, artificer armour or terminator armour (the latter of which do not count as having the bulky rule in this specific instance)." By raw this technically means cataphractii and Tartaros can't be transported in blocks of 10 either, which is silly. In saying that in a friendly game I don't see too many people objecting to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4564961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 why cant they be transported in blocks of ten? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4567671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 why cant they be transported in blocks of ten? Technically because they are no longer in terminator armour, they are in Tartaros or cataphractii terminator armour, where the rules only specifies terminator which is its one seperate ruleset to the other two. Personally I have no issue disregarding the oversite by FW but people in my local area sure as hell do have a problem with it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4567751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 What?! Tartaros & Cataphractii are variants of Terminator armour. If I had a meta like that, I would find new people to play against. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4567812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 He said technically. As in technically, Terminator armour is a different piece of wargear from cataphractii; is a different piece of wargear from tartaros. As in technically, Termincator squads have to choose between Terminator armour, Tartaros Terminator Armour and Cataphractii Terminator Armour. Is there a correlation between moral indignation and stigmatizing vs. lack of reading the rules carefully? It seems like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4567822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 It's more to do with having overarching principles (general goals of morality Vs precise law (specifics of morality) One is flexible, the other is not. And that usually corrolates to how serious you take a game of toy soldiers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4588410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 It's more to do with one side reads the rules and knows the issues that need to be addressed vs. the side that gets offended that people even know about the problem. On a side note "precise law" in no way equals "specifics of morality". Morality may overlap with law, but it should not be the basis of law. A highschool law course could outline as much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4588427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Solution: Take stormbird. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4588435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 At this stage, ask the Official Rules forum. Otherwise, we're done here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327267-gal-vorbak-in-caestus-assault-ram/#findComment-4588444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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