dracpanzer Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 With the rules having just dropped for SoS in 40k from a free GW pdf download. Who is looking forward to finally fielding some "counts as" Celestians? dracpanzer <================================== THIS GUY! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I preordered the Prospero box after all. With the battleforged formations I suppose I might keep the SoS models, was undecided on it before (well, still am to a point, I'll wait until I see the sprues in person). Though a squad of just 5 is a tad squishy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4546955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I've had a kitbash sisters of silence squad for many years using the old siege of terra rules to field them in the occasional apoc game. It'll be nice to add a little variety to the units though i'm not entirely sure how I want to field them... perhaps scouting on foot with an inquisitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4546971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 The formation allows for 1-3 squads being fielded as allies to any Imperial army. I have no intention of using anything but Sisters models with a Celestian-esque paint scheme to represent them. WYSIWYG of course, but there are reasons to bring both versions. S4 I5 AP2 great blades and psyk-out could be a lot of fun for a EW Canoness and "counts as" bodyguard especially at 17 points a model stuffed in a Repressor with a couple of flamers in the gang to, you know, burn stuff. Could finally be a reason to finish up a unit of all my old power sword and pistol Sister Superiors I have laying around. Lots to think about though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4546994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I think most of you know what a idiot I am about this kind of thing, but I'll say it anyway: Sisters of Silence models are Sisters of Silence, and Sisters of Battle models are Sisters of Battle. It looks like I'm getting the SOS from a guy at the shop who's getting the whole box, but (except maybe to proxy a full squad off SoS; maybe) I will not use SoB models as SoS nor will I do the reverse. I am interested to see this formation though, since I'm going to have a couple of those battlefield-role-stealing SoS I'll go look for it . . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4547007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficinus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I plan on adding some Sisters of Silence into my Sisters of Battle army, but as Sisters of Silence. It will be nice to add a little more psyker protection since all we have right now is the condemnor boltgun and adamantium will, which is better than nothing but also not really enough if going against a psyker heavy force. But, using them as "counts-as celestians" makes little to no sense to me, since their rules are a good deal better than celestians and they're around the same points (14ppm for Celestians vs 15ppm for Sisters of Silence). Or do you mean using the models and rules to represent what celestians should be like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4547120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 Play them as SoS but field regular Sisters models with wysiwyg gear to play with SoS rules. I dont like the aesthetic difference, but appreciate the rules, fits well with what has recently been proposed for using celestians as a witch hunter squad. Perhaps my desire to have the elite slot be useful in some way has me overly eager, but I am good with it. I'm more of a model purist rather than a rules purist Servant of Dante. Celestians were always one of my favorite units and the fact that they are so lackluster is a big disappointment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4547139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I plan on adding some SIsters of Silence into my Sisters of Battle army, but as Sisters of Silence. It will be nice to add a little more psyker protection since all we have right now is the condemnor boltgun and adamantium will, which is better than nothing but also not really enough if going against a psyker heavy force. But, using them as "counts-as celestians" makes little to no sense to me, since their rules are a good deal better than celestians and they're around the same points (14ppm for Celestians vs 15ppm for Sisters of Silence). Or do you mean using the models and rules to represent what celestians should be like? I also don't like how the SoS rules are just better than SoB For. No. Reason. (someone will get the reference) I like the models, and the rules are cool, but I don't like how flat out better than Sisters they are (fornoreason) and I'm officially off topic once more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4547142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drider Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (But they do engage in glorious melee combat and they can be trusted to pick up a broken bottle and shank you with it.) If GW wasn't taking the piss with the line about plastic sisters 'soon' clip at the end of that, look what we found in the bin video. i think it might be a good sign, a new model line and if we're lucky a new codex or at least fresh rules to go along with the release. As for the SoS themselves they look good for helping to fill the SoB melee weakness. if you're going to field them the main issue i see is a delivery method to get them into effective range of <insert name of target psyker> best bet is probably going to be T1 putting them in a transport (rhino/immo/rep) for a T3 charge. Two ways off the bat i can think of to grab them a transport is take a BBS squad with a heavy bolter to sit on the back line and let the SOB use their ride or the same thing but with HB Rets. The problem of SoB lack of anything with an assault ramp strikes again!!! My question is does the SoS formation special rule work while the units are embarked in transports? Edit: another option might be playings one of the units as a maximum model count melee squad with attached priests for hymns and canoness/celestine/jacobus to make an anti psyker-deathstar deathstar. Again this suffers from lack of proper delivery method. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4547288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (But they do engage in glorious melee combat and they can be trusted to pick up a broken bottle and shank you with it.) If GW wasn't taking the piss with the line about plastic sisters 'soon' clip at the end of that, look what we found in the bin video. i think it might be a good sign, a new model line and if we're lucky a new codex or at least fresh rules to go along with the release. As for the SoS themselves they look good for helping to fill the SoB melee weakness. if you're going to field them the main issue i see is a delivery method to get them into effective range of <insert name of target psyker> best bet is probably going to be T1 putting them in a transport (rhino/immo/rep) for a T3 charge. Two ways off the bat i can think of to grab them a transport is take a BBS squad with a heavy bolter to sit on the back line and let the SOB use their ride or the same thing but with HB Rets. The problem of SoB lack of anything with an assault ramp strikes again!!! My question is does the SoS formation special rule work while the units are embarked in transports? Edit: another option might be playings one of the units as a maximum model count melee squad with attached priests for hymns and canoness/celestine/jacobus to make an anti psyker-deathstar deathstar. Again this suffers from lack of proper delivery method. hum. If you are using the Draft FAQs I believe the answer is that models do not count as being on the table while they are in transports. (My issue is more that they have super-special-snowflake rules and step on the mechanical and fluff toes of the Sisters of Battle, but I don't thing the forum, especially this thread, needs that rant) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4547355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoatibix Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 The Sos *are* super-special snowflakes. The rules are fitting for them. At the moment we have an 'old' style of codex written without any new models and/or units. Bluntly, I think we're lucky they didn't Squat the army in the years leading up to that dex. But...New GW seem to have realised that Sob are cool and groovy. We'recommend rumoured to be getting new models in plastic. If that is true it would be extraordinary if GW didn't give us some new units with a bunch of cool deny witch-burning goodness. While the Sisters of Silence and Battle are completely separate I was actually expecting GW to drop them into the SoB codex and Fluffstify it with a huge dose of Retconn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4548127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I wouldnt be suprised for GW to do that, but i wouldnt be suprised for GW to make a minidex on SoS either (i rather see the former being the case) And lore wise they can easily justify it as the times require the Battle Sisters to get some extra aid with that 2nd 13th Black Crusade being prepped by mr "i have issues" Abaddon. BTW: is there a link to said free thingie? Searchfu is directing me to this page or similar ones, instead of the actuall one iam looking for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4548131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 BTW: is there a link to said free thingie? Searchfu is directing me to this page or similar ones, instead of the actuall one iam looking for. https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Burning%20of%20Prospero%20Imperial%20Datasheets.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4548170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4548875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 So it looks like the SoB board is going to be the default SoS board for some arbitrary reason? :PAnyway, I look forward to running them myself, since I like them in the fluff. Definitely with Inquisition, but I'm torn between spending so many points on a Land Raider for assault capability or just bum rushing up with Chimeras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4549180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Anyway, I look forward to running them myself, since I like them in the fluff. Definitely with Inquisition, but I'm torn between spending so many points on a Land Raider for assault capability or just bum rushing up with Chimeras. A third option if you don't mind them exposed on the table is scouting from the Liber Heresius. Landraiders notably bring assault launchers, but don't discount the death cultists if it's assault you are after. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4549262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I was on Invisibility before I remembered they were null :D Liber Heresius scouting sounds great! Definitely something I'll try at least once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4549624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 So it looks like the SoB board is going to be the default SoS board for some arbitrary reason? :P Anyway, I look forward to running them myself, since I like them in the fluff. Definitely with Inquisition, but I'm torn between spending so many points on a Land Raider for assault capability or just bum rushing up with Chimeras. I would think that Forces of the Imperium and the Horus Heresy forums would be the correct places, but I don't know that the good Inquisitor Respondi has announced a formal decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4549869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 An Inquisitor with frag grenades would be invaluable to a SoS squad, actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4550099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 An Inquisitor with frag grenades would be invaluable to a SoS squad, actually.Don't the grenades work on a per-model basis though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4550736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drider Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 if one model in the unit has it the whole unit get it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4550881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasp Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Pretty sure only the models with grenades don't suffer the penalties... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4551638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drider Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'm sure it's a conferable rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4551649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'm sure it's a conferable rule. Defensive grenades spread to the unit. Assault grenades specify that it's the model equipped that gains the benefit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4551655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Ah, drat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327335-null-maiden-task-force-from-gw/#findComment-4552417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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