bluntblade Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just a place where people can put ideas for our future Big, Big Bad Guys. Potential Legion names and candidates for roles within the Legion are up for grabs (we have leaders for the Tzeentchian and Khornate factions, so there are openings for a Nurglite and Slaaneshi adherent who are highly motivated, have leadership skills and will readily work with people with different religious beliefs). Symbols and ways in which they can rise to prominence will also be very welcome.Ranks and faction names are also welcome. Currently we have:- Athrawes the Ruiner, Master of the Legion- Legba the Deiciomancer, Lord of the ??? and leader of the Tzeentch followers among the Legion.- Slynnat the Blood Knight, Champion of Khorne and master of the Hell Walkers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Name ideas: -The Storm Legion -The Forsaken Sons -The Black Brotherhood -Legion of Darkness -The Dreaded Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Temporary members: Â Shaka and his Soul Eater tribe, consisting of the majority of the remaining traitorous Predators before departing and going the Red Corsair way of life. Â Idea for a warband / Force: Hakkara, the Beastmaster: Former member of the Predators, possessed by a demon Lord of several packs of different kind of demonically beasts like Khorne hounds and juggernauts, Slaanesh horses, etc. Â Names: Golden Legion (see themselves as the golden future of mankind) Â Colors: Golden with black trim, bone white details Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 I'm not really keen for mostly gold, I have to admit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Well, there are some ways to mix these colors appropriately. As I'm not at home, I'm not able to do so. ^^ Â How about the name? Â Think about, black & bad guys can be done by everyone. We have shiny & bad guys. ;P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Make them the Golden Horde and you have a fantastic reference to a ancient killer brigade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/wow/images/a/aa/Hakkar_the_Houndmaster_TCG2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141031140139 Â May I introduce Hakkara, the Beastmaster. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 So this happens whem your elf ears mutate? Â So full of fire, is he a follower of khorne? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I'll just ignore any elf references from now on. -.- Â Nope, more a undivided guy as he has packs from all kind of demon beasts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just wait for andezos model. THAT you can't ignore anymore. Â Will he be a daemkn princr? He looks heavily corrupted atm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 A prince? Maybe. He popped up in my head in the morning. After a couple of centuries he might look like that. Â It's just an impression. At first, terminator armor of course with either a power whip or sword. Then the usual, thorns & horns, beasty features through warp influence etc etc until being possessed by a powerful daemon or ascending to prince status. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 If I remember correctly, I'd suggested something white, but that idea had been shot down: anyone remember why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 I think because white Chaos generally means Malal? Not sure Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Black and white means malal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 If I remember correctly, I'd suggested something white, but that idea had been shot down: anyone remember why? As I recall it was due to us thinking that the Suzerainty combined 'Legion' would be primarily armoured in white and gold. Unfortunately I don't remember the end of that discussion, so I don't know if this changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I would suggest that Harbingers is a good name to carry over onto our version of the Black Legion. Both names have connotations of something sinister and Harbingers was chosen at the onset of the Insurrection to demonstrate Icarion's break with the Imperium, unlike the Sons of Horus which was a gift from the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I would suggest that Harbingers is a good name to carry over onto our version of the Black Legion. Both names have connotations of something sinister and Harbingers was chosen at the onset of the Insurrection to demonstrate Icarion's break with the Imperium, unlike the Sons of Horus which was a gift from the Emperor. Agreed for all the reasons stated above and more, if it ain't broke... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 At first I wanted to explain it by myself but why trying and failing if you got the internet? ^^ Â I think that in order to create our own Black Legion, we have to understand what the real Black Legion actually is. Â Here are some quotes from warhammer wiki, which themselves are quotes from the Talon of Horus novel: Â We were born for battle, Khayon. We were made to conquer the galaxy, not to rot in Hell and die upon our brothers' blades. Who are the architects of the Imperium? Who fought to purge its territory of aliens and expand its borders? Who brought rebellious worlds to heel and slaughtered those who refused the light of progress? Who walked from one side of the galaxy to the other, marking their passage in a trail of treacherous dead? This is our Imperium. Built across the worlds we burned, over bones we broke, with the blood we shed. You see it too. You feel it now, don't you? - A new war. One not born of bitterness nor founded on revenge. - The Long War, Khayon. Â Abaddon sharing his vision ----------- Sharing his vision with the assembled Legionaries, Abaddon knew that they all could become so much more than their fathers' sons. Both he, and those Legionaries before him, all craved true, honest brotherhood. They all missed it -- a Space Marine Legion's unity and its bonds of loyalty. Its explicit purpose. Its focused pursuit of victory. Abaddon missed what a Legion could do, and the fact it was empowered to do it. All of the Nine Traitor Legions, they were Legions in name, colour and the dregs of culture, but they were a horde, not an army, linked by fading loyalties and fighting to survive. Once they were bound by brotherhood and fought only to win. Their kind no longer waged war, they raided and pillaged. They no longer marched in regiments and battalions, but scattered in packs and warbands. Abaddon had no wish to change how things were -- he wished to embrace it. He knew that many amongst the Nine Traitor Legions cried out to be part of a true Legion once more. Abaddon's pilgrimage with Sargon had been more than learning how the tides of the Eye of Terror ebbed and flowed. It was about seeking those who would stand with him. ---------- He meant to form a new Legion. A new war. The real war, the Long War. Not a petty rebellion swallowed by Horus' pride and his hunger for the Terran Throne. A war for the future of Mankind. Horus would have sold out Humanity to the Pantheon of Chaos for the chance to sit on the Golden Throne for a single heartbeat. But the Nine Traitor Legions could now allow themselves to be used the way Horus had been. The Chaos Gods existed and they could not pretend otherwise, nor could they allow a sacred duty to devolve into such weakness, as Horus did. ------------ As you can see, the Black Legion had broken every single tie with their former parent legions. It is a bond of brothers, fighting to conquer the Galaxy and not for the needs of gods and failed Primarchs. That is why they founded a new Legion, the Black Legion. Â And that's why I think that our Black Legion needs a different name. From what I've read from blunt about Athrawes, he thinks in the same way like Abaddon did concerning his father and the failed Primarchs. Taking up the name of Harbringers doesn't feel right to me for the quoted reasons. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Darn...the only thing I can bring forward to the discussion is: Â I hope Athrawes will have arms. Â Â Ahh....another point: Â So why are Athrawes feelings toward Icarion the same as Abbaddons? Icarion will commit Seppuku, so I can see that je is even more furious because Icarion dragged them all into this and then....left. Je was not simply defeated, no he took the blade in his own hands. But I can understand your reasoning concerning the name. But as Sim pointed out: this name is already sinister and it could be a symbol that they have chosen to show that the lightning bearers, icarions legion is no more amd the harbingers have a task to fulfill and Raiden Athrawes will bring to and end what Icarion did not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Black and white means malal. Yep, Black and White is Malal/Malice. So White and another colour (not gold [Warbringers] or red[White Scars] or blue[World Eaters] or green[Death Guard]) could still work? White and Purple? White and copper? White and gunmetal??? Â Â If I remember correctly, I'd suggested something white, but that idea had been shot down: anyone remember why? As I recall it was due to us thinking that the Suzerainty combined 'Legion' would be primarily armoured in white and gold. Unfortunately I don't remember the end of that discussion, so I don't know if this changed. They're actually going to be grey with blue details from what I've understood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 But the Harbringers changed their name under (or better because of) Icarion. That means that this name as well would be forever tainted by him and his failed attempt. Â They would need a restart. A new beginning. The Great Crusade and the Insurrection took longer than their canon counterparts, making their defeat even more frustrating when keeping Harbringers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 How about black and silver? I feel like black is so quintessentially the color of "evil" that we'd be doing ourselves a disservice not to use it for our black legion equivalent. Â For that matter why not simply call them...The Black Legion? Like mentioned before, if it ain't broke... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 We're not sure how widespread the info is of Icarion's suicide. Who would have witnessed it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The remaining loyal Primarchs maybe? Maybe even all participating Primarchs? They could have sensed his Seppuku or at least get a feeling "something happened with Icarions". Â Who else was there? Â Maybe the Emperor tells his sons with his dying breath? Encouraging them to hunt down the traitors, as even their leader had realized how wrong he was. Â The outraged gods of course and through them, their minions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 How about black and silver? I feel like black is so quintessentially the color of "evil" that we'd be doing ourselves a disservice not to use it for our black legion equivalent. Thank you. I've been trying to find the right way to phrase it, but you nailed it there. Bonus points for "quintessential." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327371-ia-the-black-legion/#findComment-4548774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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