Charlo Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 You know... The ones that Autek Mor and the like look at and go "give me a battalion of these..." If you really don't want any friends, what do you field? (No legion specific please!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 People like Typhons right? Those were a thing iirc. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4552944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Sniper Vets. Definitely Sniper Vets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4552956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 - Leviathans - Typhons - Whirldwind Scorpius - Vindicator Laser Destroyer Array in squadrons of three - Land speeders with MM and grav gun - Spartans with Flare Shields - Chaplains - Phosphex Quad Mortars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4552962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 For anyone wondering, background is i'm making a Day of Revelation list (so some minor limitations) where the Preator is now on a strict vengeance campaign on the traitors post Signus... So Leviathan is a must. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4552976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Triple DDP Leviathan if you really want to be naughty, two with grav flux to make their heavy transports get immobilized and one with multi melta to mess something real bad. They all deploy as a unit on Turn 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4552994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Unfortunately that's not how it works, only talons consisting of one leviathan are allowed to take a DDP. If you wanted three in DDPs, you'd have to take three separate talons and use up all your heavy support slots, which is still nasty but at least you can't take any other heavy support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milosh Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 After having played a ton of Heresy games, I would say quad mortars with shatter shells are the most obscene unit and +1 for any competitive list. The new points increases in the red books really helped level things out. Typhon is still a beast but you can also take StormSwords now, which is Typhons with larger template basically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 After having played a ton of Heresy games, I would say quad mortars with shatter shells are the most obscene unit and +1 for any competitive list. The new points increases in the red books really helped level things out. Typhon is still a beast but you can also take StormSwords now, which is Typhons with larger template basically. Not to mention Stormswords are chearp $wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 World Eater tactical squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Unfortunately that's not how it works, only talons consisting of one leviathan are allowed to take a DDP. If you wanted three in DDPs, you'd have to take three separate talons and use up all your heavy support slots, which is still nasty but at least you can't take any other heavy support. That's why we love Forgeworld, that's so bloody smart and cheese proof. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 After having played a ton of Heresy games, I would say quad mortars with shatter shells are the most obscene unit and +1 for any competitive list. The new points increases in the red books really helped level things out. Typhon is still a beast but you can also take StormSwords now, which is Typhons with larger template basically. Not to mention Stormswords are chearp $wise. I do like the Stormsword... Even though Day of Revelation stops all LoW except Flyers and Sangunius... Going to be a while until he shows up in the flesh. Where are the most recent rules for it? It's weapon but not the profile was in the Cadian supplement for 40k.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 - Leviathans - Typhons - Whirldwind Scorpius - Vindicator Laser Destroyer Array in squadrons of three - Land speeders with MM and grav gun - Spartans with Flare Shields - Chaplains - Phosphex Quad Mortars Pretty much this although don't see the Chaplin thing myself, I'd swap that for primus medicae (especially in a spartan with a primarch) Falcion and glaive are also worthy of a nod. Hate seeing coming out of bag before games. Also double D warhound is the ultimate hate me toy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Haha Chaplains? What? Also the falchion isn't that great for the points, despite having a D weapon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Haha Chaplains? What? Also the falchion isn't that great for the points, despite having a D weapon If you properly houserule the shock-pulse upgrade, it's insanely useful. Nothin' like shutting down your opponents Warlord Titan! After having played a ton of Heresy games, I would say quad mortars with shatter shells are the most obscene unit and +1 for any competitive list. The new points increases in the red books really helped level things out. Typhon is still a beast but you can also take StormSwords now, which is Typhons with larger template basically. Not to mention Stormswords are chearp $wise. I do like the Stormsword... Even though Day of Revelation stops all LoW except Flyers and Sangunius... Going to be a while until he shows up in the flesh. Where are the most recent rules for it? It's weapon but not the profile was in the Cadian supplement for 40k.... The Stormsword is mont'ka. The Stormsword siege cannon profile is on page 164 and the Stormsword itself is on page 153. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Chaplains are more for night Lords terror assaulting night raptors and world eaters inductii. Dem rerolls. With plus one to wound making sure hits get converted to wonds you could make some suitably angry assault squads/units capable of maiming Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 New seekers with the scorpius rounds maybe? S5 ap2 shred isn't innefective certainly. Though I don't know their (new?) points value, so can't say if they're 'harsh' or not for their points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 From the OP I understand the question to be which unit would be obnoxious if spammed. I don't think you are breaking any hearts bringing a Chaplain. Quad Mortars in elites are the only thing that really pops to mind. There are a bunch of very strong HS choices but there are so many that spamming or diversification are equally scary. Maybe multiple Leviathans? Maybe... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
norngahl Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 + Combi Weapons (at best 10 on Vets with Sniper..) en masse + Quad Mortars en masse, eapecially with shatter and/or phosphex + Warhound + Triple Leviathans with full gear + Speeders en masse.. dirt cheap Javelins with rockets + 50 men blobs of rending and fearless Levys via Cults (I know, not Legion..) That's it. Everything else is costed fairly or automatically restricts the list beside being point heavy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 + Combi Weapons (at best 10 on Vets with Sniper..) en masse. I don't think that is to bad, squads get expensive really quickly if everyone gets combis and they are only one shot on the special weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 As basic troops though? Vets are definitely under-priced and far and away the best troops choice already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 As basic troops though? Vets are definitely under-priced and far and away the best troops choice already. It is true that Vets are a solid option particularly as a troop choice but in my experience it isn't combi access that causes that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Autek mors loves some tanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Two primarchs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 As basic troops though? Vets are definitely under-priced and far and away the best troops choice already. The fact that they aren't easily accessible as a Troops choice (except for Sons of Horus) balances them out. The Rites that do allow have some severe restrictions. Yeah they cost 2 points more than Tactical Marines, but that's really a problem with Tactical Marines, plus after a pinch of gear they quickly go over 200 points for a unit of dudes in power armor. Support squads, assault marines, terminators, Legion uniques, etc. all can be equally useful and fight for elite slots (and the first two are troops always!). I am not going to give nasty looks to someone bringing 3-4 Veteran units instead of some of the other stuff (unless I'm playing Cybernetica Monster Mash, in which case I'll see them in the parking lot later with a cog-toothed tire iron! :D). Yeah, I think Leviathans and Quad Mortar spam are about the only things that would be annoying as hell to face constantly (and in the case of the mortars it would be the time it takes to resolve them more than their admittedly amazing rules). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327538-harshest-units-in-the-la-army-lists/#findComment-4553588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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