Guest Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 So I started to put together my first resin model. I made sure to wash it before doing anything. I cut ot all off and started to work on putting it together when i noticed my finger tips began to itch and become slightly sore. I know it is possible to be allergic to some resins, but I thought FW/GW would be hypo allergenic. Has anyone had allergic reactions to FW resin? I have never had a allergic reaction so I am hoping this is not the case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Yes , When I work with resin I wear surgical gloves and a mask. After it is primered it is ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Well thats a darn shame... looks like i nee some latex gloves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Gilbear Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 [...] I thought FW/GW would be hypo allergenic. [...] I'm not sure why you would think that TBH. All resin is potentially dangerous (at least the dust certainly is), superglue can cause irritation and eventual allergy, most epoxy putties the same, spray primers (and spray paints in general) are all bad for you... and that's just working with resin models! If in doubt, wash thoroughly, sand/file underwater (or with a water-based personal lubricant, which is usually both hypo-allergenic and easy to rinse off the model afterwards), wear gloves, and work in a sufficiently-well ventilated environment. This should really be a minimum set of precautions for everyone. You may also want to consider a suitable filter mask and some appropriate eye protection too. Once the model is cleaned, filed down, puttied, glued, and washed again, I would still suggest that you avoid handling the model too much until it's fully painted and varnished. Not only for allergy reasons, but also because it helps to avoid the paint rubbing off until it's all finished and sealed. Finally, whilst I'm sure many people are far less careful that I've described above and have no obvious problems, you should always be aware that these are specialist kits aimed at experienced modellers who understand how to work with materials like resin. If you continue to have adverse reactions to resin models (or putty, or superglue, or spray paint, or anything else), then I would cease immediately and see your doctor. Then, going forward, I would suggest finding alternatives to working with whatever you are sensitised to (because the continued exposure to these things isn't worth the risk). I'm sorry if this all seems a bit alarmist, but it really is always better to be safe than sorry - especially if you've already experienced issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Keep in mind it could also be the glue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 So I started to put together my first resin model. I made sure to wash it before doing anything. I cut ot all off and started to work on putting it together when i noticed my finger tips began to itch and become slightly sore. I know it is possible to be allergic to some resins, but I thought FW/GW would be hypo allergenic. Has anyone had allergic reactions to FW resin? I have never had a allergic reaction so I am hoping this is not the case. I've learned that people can develop allergies as they grow older and people can be allergic to all sorts of random crap. I used to never have allergies but developed hay fever in my 20's. I would not be surprised at all if you developed an allergy to FW's resin mix. It has a lot of stuff in it with long names like poly-whatever that could be potential allergens. I believe Forge World uses some type of polyurethane resin. If it's truly bothering your conscience, next time you see your doctor you can ask him or her to test you for allergens to things like polyurethane or polyester resin. I know it can come as a shock to know you've now got an allergy when you used to be perfectly healthy, but we all get older and weaker and develop all sorts of health issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 [...] I thought FW/GW would be hypo allergenic. [...] I'm not sure why you would think that TBH. :unsure: All resin is potentially dangerous (at least the dust certainly is), superglue can cause irritation and eventual allergy, most epoxy putties the same, spray primers (and spray paints in general) are all bad for you... and that's just working with resin models! If in doubt, wash thoroughly, sand/file underwater (or with a water-based personal lubricant, which is usually both hypo-allergenic and easy to rinse off the model afterwards), wear gloves, and work in a sufficiently-well ventilated environment. This should really be a minimum set of precautions for everyone. You may also want to consider a suitable filter mask and some appropriate eye protection too. Once the model is cleaned, filed down, puttied, glued, and washed again, I would still suggest that you avoid handling the model too much until it's fully painted and varnished. Not only for allergy reasons, but also because it helps to avoid the paint rubbing off until it's all finished and sealed. Finally, whilst I'm sure many people are far less careful that I've described above and have no obvious problems, you should always be aware that these are specialist kits aimed at experienced modellers who understand how to work with materials like resin. If you continue to have adverse reactions to resin models (or putty, or superglue, or spray paint, or anything else), then I would cease immediately and see your doctor. Then, going forward, I would suggest finding alternatives to working with whatever you are sensitised to (because the continued exposure to these things isn't worth the risk). I'm sorry if this all seems a bit alarmist, but it really is always better to be safe than sorry - especially if you've already experienced issues. No its all good info. I was curious if my kids or dogs could be allergic. Had her take a model that is at home and touch my daughters back (after asking my doc if it was okay). it become irritated so it appeara to be hereditary maybe. So going to give up resin models or have someone assemble and prime them before aending to me. I can take all the precautions but not going to put my daughter at risk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fortis Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Well thats a darn shame... looks like i nee some latex gloves. For what it's worth, latex gloves are also a major source of contact allergy problems. Healthcare, at least on this side of the pond, switched to non-powdered nitrile gloves some years ago. And I applaud you, sir, for putting your daughter's health first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrolf the Cunning Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Further in this area, does anyone have recommendations for desktop dust evacuators for resin dust? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Gilbear Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 @ Hrolf: Do it in a basin of water; it's much more efficient if the dust doesn't get airborne to begin with. Besides, you have to wash the model anyway, and a basin of water is cheap and easy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4555713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomzero17 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The plastic and resin do not do that for me, hpwever, I suffer the same symptoms you just described when handling pewter models if they haven't been base coated yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4557188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Ibram Gaunt Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 @ Hrolf: Do it in a basin of water; it's much more efficient if the dust doesn't get airborne to begin with. Besides, you have to wash the model anyway, and a basin of water is cheap and easy. What are you using to sand/file the models in a basin of water? I don't want my files going rusty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4560791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Brushes Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 @ Hrolf: Do it in a basin of water; it's much more efficient if the dust doesn't get airborne to begin with. Besides, you have to wash the model anyway, and a basin of water is cheap and easy. What are you using to sand/file the models in a basin of water? I don't want my files going rusty. Dry them thoroughly after use and coat with a light rubbing of oil. You should probably do this with any metal tools when used in a damp environment (just like cooking with cast iron skillets). Alternatively if you want to get all sciencey up in here, connect them to a battery to prevent oxidation. Or Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4560867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolia Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd also go for powderless nitrile gloves (the blue or green ones ) because they are hypoallergenic. Vinyl gloves also exist , but they have a condom feel to them (no really, the thin plastic and rubbery-slippery feel must be the reason ). We reserve them for the rare people allergic to nitrile (never saw one ^^) because they don't resist well to solvents (I work in a lab) Watchmakers have finger gloves (thingies you cover only the tip of the finger with ) . Comes in vinyl and probably other materials too, more comfortable if you work with fingertips. Nitrile is not very extensible so get the right size. M or L fit most hands , should not be tight or you'll cook inside :) If you really have to use gloves for a long time,there are "undergloves" made of cotton available that you can wear under the plastic ones to sweat less and let your skin breathe - I am a fan of those . They give a tad less sensitivity in the fingers though. I'd also try to wash the models wearing gloves, dry them well,and then handle them without gloves to see if it's still starting a reaction : maybe it's the moulding oil (release agent) that gives you the allergies ? That's probably a more common source of reaction that the plastic itself, but nothing is excluded Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4561152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I've worked with plural component polymers similar to what Forgeworld uses, they should actually be extremely safe. The release agent is the most likely culprit for irritation. Depending on what the mix is, there could be traces of isocyanates which is a pretty powerful sensitizer, they have a very distinct smell. (Not the fishy smell of polyamines, used in some blends and frequently encountered in the recast models.) Typically the resins you'll find from Forgeworld vary considerably. They use the best product they have available for a specific part. They use multiple OEM suppliers. This outputs different resins on different products and sometimes the same product purchased at different times. If you have a sensitivity to isocyanates, and come into contact with even minute traces, you can have an extremely fast life threatening reaction. It isn't anaphylaxis, but is more lakin to a horrible asthma attack. Amines have drastically different effects, depending on the types used, but most are relatively safe. I personally rarely use gloves or breathing protection when handling resin products, unless I get stuck with something recast. However my choices are not for everyone, or recommended, and come from years working with similar products. I however do have a horrible sensitivity to some pretty common detergents, so ironically I usually wear gloves when I wash off the mold release, else the liquid soap may cause a horrible rash on my hands. I have no clue what finecast is, it isn't polyurethane, or polyurea, or a blend of the two like the rest of forgeworld's resins, but they use it for some models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4561300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Gilbear Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 @ Hrolf: Do it in a basin of water; it's much more efficient if the dust doesn't get airborne to begin with. Besides, you have to wash the model anyway, and a basin of water is cheap and easy. What are you using to sand/file the models in a basin of water? I don't want my files going rusty. Metal files and/or wet-and-dry glasspaper. When you're done, you rinse them, pat them dry and then hair dryer them until warm. Once fully dry, put some oil on the files, and then after about an hour wipe off the excess with an old rag. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327606-allergy-to-gwfw-models/#findComment-4561543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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