Kelborn Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Hey there, I assume that there was an old thread dealing with this series but I don't want to be a thread o mancer. :) While checking my local book store I discovered that Asmodai by Gav Thorpe was released in my country. As I've read Ravenwing and think that it's a ok novel (for someone who hasn't read the previous book, Dark Angels or how is it called again?), I wanted to ask if the whole trilogy is decent enough to give it a try? I know that most of you think that he's not that good as a DA writer but I've heard that he has his moments as well. :) Thanks! Kelborn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Great trilogy with a head scratching ending. Would read again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4558961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Head scratching like golly gee? oO Or :jaw: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4558976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Great trilogy, and Legacy of Caliban's Omnibus seems to include all the short stories. I'd still recommend Angels of Darkness before fully getting into it (especially book 2, Master of Sanctity alias Asmodai), though at least The Purging of Kadillus isn't needed (it is set before/between Angels of Darkness on Piscina). The ending and all going on is tied into the Horus Heresy Dark Angels arc, with Gav hoping to be writing the Caliban book at the end of the series/afterwards. Angels of Caliban sets up some additional pieces for The Unforgiven, but the end of that novel ripples right back to the Heresy era. The full extent of what The Unforgiven closed with isn't apparent yet. It has big repercussions for the Legion/Chapter, but we need to wait for the Horus Heresy side of things to make it clear just how much it matters. So, in short, your mileage may vary depending on how invested you are in the two eras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Ok, So it's a great trilogy but to get the wider scheme I need to read the 30k stuff as well, got it. Thanks to our glorious brotherhood named the BL sub forum, I was able to follow the recently published DA HH arc with interest, especially AoC (which I can't wait to be released in Germany as well ;)). I would not name me an expert but maybe I do get some references in this trilogy. As I said, Ravenwing was good, so I'm curious of what Master of Sanctity will have for me. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Just make sure to read Angels of Darkness first so you can fully take in the ambiguity of Astelan's words. It improved the ride tremendously. Other stories that factor in, via HH would be The Lion (from The Primarchs) and Master of the First (from Eye of Terra). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 Great, thank you. :) So Angels of Darkness is ordered. After this, I'll reread Ravenwing to be up to date again, followed by Master of Sanctity. I'm curious about Astelan as I read a lot on here about him being a power thirty bastard. It's interesting as I kinda liked him in that short story where he is trying to integrate a world peacefully but then the Ravenwing shows up, messing everything up. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 If you haven't picked up Master of Sanctity and The Unforgiven yet, you might be best off getting the omnibus off Amazon, so you get the short stories. They provide some connections between books and characters and I'd say they're worth reading if you can get your hands on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 The Unforgiven is the third part, right? Seems reasonable. Saves me money and I get more for the price. :) And it would expand my omnibus collection (NL, WB & Salamanders)^^ Edit Is there already an Omnibus? Can't find it wether on Amazon or lexicanum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/legacies-of-caliban-ebook.htmlhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Legacy-Caliban-Omnibus-Warhammer-Paperback/dp/1784964565 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 Oh ok Thanks ^^" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4559522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamedake88 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 This hasn't been mentioned but I would also pick up The Purging of Kaladis and read it before all of them or concurrently with Angels of Darkness. http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/The-Purging-of-Kadillus.html. It goes a great way to putting the events of the Angels of Darkness into context in terms of time and setting. While a good many didn't like the book, I did and recommend it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4560763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd call The Purging of Kadillus optional (as I did in my first reply). It gives context and expands on Piscina, but it isn't essential to the story and Angels of Darkness did well standing on its own for many years before it came around, and Ravenwing and co did a good job showing the world and the fallout from Kadillus. That being said, I have only read condensed summaries/spoilers of Kadillus, so if there's something incredible it adds, I would have missed it; its on the reading list, and I'm slowly catching up on buying & reading the rest of SMB (just missing the more recent anthologies / hardcover-to-paperbacks and omnibuses now, hurrah). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4560775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Purging of Kadillus is definitely optional, it is not required. Unforgiven was strangely good even with the 'golly gee' time paradox event in the end. But 'RAVENWING' was an abomination to read. Point with riding on a bike in a starfort - ....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4562730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Finished this a few days ago, and was really really suprised by how good it is! I haven't read any 40k for quite a while, mainly just picking up the odd HH story now and then, but if all 40k work was as good as this I'd definitely get back into it. It's not perfect; the spaceport was a bit meh, I only skimmed through a few battle scenes and the ending felt rushed and some parts of it not very well explained, but the rest more than makes up for it. The dialogue between characters was really very good, especially as Space Marines do tend to often be quite 1-dimensional. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4580083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Finished this a few days ago, and was really really suprised by how good it is! I haven't read any 40k for quite a while, mainly just picking up the odd HH story now and then, but if all 40k work was as good as this I'd definitely get back into it. It's not perfect; the spaceport was a bit meh, I only skimmed through a few battle scenes and the ending felt rushed and some parts of it not very well explained, but the rest more than makes up for it. The dialogue between characters was really very good, especially as Space Marines do tend to often be quite 1-dimensional. True - it is not that bad. And the spaceport part seems to bother everyone - it was like 'golly gee' I just read Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327729-legacy-of-caliban/#findComment-4580193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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