How's 30k doing in your area?

[LukeTheButcher]

 

The "Yes...But" is more that there are players who will look down on you/mock/insult/veto/ban ect your decision to use GW stuff over FW. Heaven forbid you use mk Vii armour or have aquilla's on things.

 

Not my issue, as I'm a live and let live (and honest enough to admit i take a cash saving where I can for this game) but the fact that GW mini use often carries a warning can be off-putting. Thats before you get into how little of modern 40K gear is transferable.

 

But as I say, on the whole, the scene is growing. I think that is a little disconcerting to those who spout the elitism guff above, as its not just their precious game-anymore.

I really don't see how what I said is elitist. I'm all for using GW kits where it's appropriate. You've got three era-appropriate marks of power armour available in plastic. Two marks of Terminator Armour, three if you remove the Crux Terminatus. Mars Pattern vehicles, Godwyn pattern Bolters, all the plastic heavy weapons you can get your hands on etc. are all good in my books. But MKVII and aquilias everywhere? Using those and a select few easy to remove or not include symbols/units means you aren't playing in the 31st Millenium anymore, and if that's the case what's the point in starting Horus Heresy. It's frankly lazy.

 

 

Sorry Dude, if that how it came across you have my apologies as I never meant to suggest anything you wrote was Elitist in that vein I meant.

 

We're talking about 30k take-up and I am trying to say that when you want to encourage new players but have to give a warning over elements of the player-base, its not ideal and can put off potential players. Equally, those making the transition from 40k to 30k also hit barriers. For instance, not everyone can run multiple armies, so your view on Armour marks and aquilla's could be viewed as a barrier to transitioning from 40k to 30k if they have only been able to invest in 40k astartes.  

 

Please don't consider other peoples' limitations (financial/modelign skills) as simply lazy, as it does many people a dis-service. 

[Memento Of Prospero]

Not seeing and dismissing the point of view of someone else is the very definition of contempt, but it's not the end of the world either. Text is always hard to take in a neutral tone, especially when philosophies clash.

 

The point of the heresy is to drawn likeminded individuals to a cool setting that is greatly written and away from the "WWE style" botchfest that 40k as become. Modeling is important to me as well (I go to lengths to get the marks and models right for my legion), but I have the best of times just talking about the setting during my games with people who like the fluff just as much as I do. The human contact is what keeps this community alive and well. I have some players for who both money and time is tight, so recycling what they already have is fine with me, as their presence to my events is invaluable.

 

Would I be pleased to have a gaming group that had the same goals I have? Hell yeah I would, utopia is awesome! But am I still very happy for the one have in reality.

[Fenbain]

Sorry Dude, if that how it came across you have my apologies as I never meant to suggest anything you wrote was Elitist in that vein I meant.

 

We're talking about 30k take-up and I am trying to say that when you want to encourage new players but have to give a warning over elements of the player-base, its not ideal and can put off potential players. Equally, those making the transition from 40k to 30k also hit barriers. For instance, not everyone can run multiple armies, so your view on Armour marks and aquilla's could be viewed as a barrier to transitioning from 40k to 30k if they have only been able to invest in 40k astartes.

 

Please don't consider other peoples' limitations (financial/modelign skills) as simply lazy, as it does many people a dis-service.

I do understand the limitations in that regard, I wasn't intending to suggest that people who can't currently afford something shouldn't be able to play. They should feel more than free and welcome to proxy their 40k units, until they can substitute in the era-appropriate unit. It's when someone doesn't ever stop or feel the desire to stop proxying that I was getting at (or at least intending to).

[civsmitty]

Convinced the last hold-outs of a gaming "club" (6-8 old bastards who like drinking beer and rolling dice) in Northern Arizona to pick up the Legion banner. Alpha Legion, Salamanders, World Eaters, Imperial Fists, Thousand Sons/AdMech, Ultramarines are all represented there.

 

Here in Albuquerque....there's about four of us, maybe a couple more. I by far have the largest collection, but have gotten some GREAT games out of the Dark Angels and Word Bearers.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

One of the best things about 30k is it's not 40k.

[IronDrake28]

One of the best things about 30k is it's not 40k.

Well...it literally is still the game of Warhammer 40,000, but I'm picking up what you're putting down. :p

[A D-B]

 

 But MKVII and aquilias everywhere? 

 

Nuffink wrong with Aquilas everywhere.

[Allart01]

 

This is how 30k is doing in my area :D

We had a regional event in Tuscany, Italy two days ago.

Seven players and 18k points on the field... and that was just the start.

I must admit I'm pretty pleased with the way this thing is growing up.

[Fenbain]

 

 

 

But MKVII and aquilias everywhere?

Nuffink wrong with Aquilas everywhere.

I thought the Imperial Aquila was used on banners and as a rare honourific during the Great Crusade, and it wasn't till the end of the Horus Heresy that it was given much more general usage? I could well be wrong though.

[RandomMarine]

That's just the one with the lightning bolts I think. But there are many variants of the Aquila mkVII is suitable for all loyal legions present at terra but prototype suits probably exist out in the wild

[Paradigm]

The aquila isn't on the armor really, only the emperors children were given the right to bear it, en masse. However, there aren't many aquila chest plates even in the current 40k Space marine tac squad kit. The Imperial Aquila is specifically the twin headed eagle. The other versions aren't actually aquilas. Few marines would likely have the luxury of artificier applied decorations, like winged skulls, etc. However, there is no images of MKVII armor currently in any HH book. We don't know if the defenders of terra who were the only contemporary forces in MKVII wore embellished breastplates or not. For all we know, the whole embellishment, and aquila thing could have started there. After all, when you are defending the homeworld of the emperor you'd want to wear your best.

While I support fully anyone using the heresy rules to play with whatever miniatures are available to them, there are those with the means and desire to make specifically 30k sourced armies. More power to them, but there isn't really any reason to exclude someone from having a good time with it, either way. If it is lazy, so what? It might not be laziness, and it even if it is, nobody is qualified to call someone out on it in a hobby shop or club anyway. Really, there is nothing worse than having someone point out the flaw in your excitement. So play 30k with whatever you want, or don't. It's your hobby.

[A D-B]

 

 

But MKVII and aquilias everywhere?

Nuffink wrong with Aquilas everywhere.

I thought the Imperial Aquila was used on banners and as a rare honourific during the Great Crusade, and it wasn't till the end of the Horus Heresy that it was given much more general usage? I could well be wrong though.

 

 

 Fortnight, on 22 Nov 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

The aquila isn't on the armor really, only the emperors children were given the right to bear it, en masse. However, there aren't many aquila chest plates even in the current 40k Space marine tac squad kit. The Imperial Aquila is specifically the twin headed eagle. The other versions aren't actually aquilas. Few marines would likely have the luxury of artificier applied decorations, like winged skulls, etc.

 

 

Way back before the first FW book was released, when we were looking at artwork internals at one of the HH meetings, I said: "But some of these Heresy guys have Aquilas on them..."

 

The change instituted back then was that the Palatine Aquila is what the Emperor's Children alone were allowed to wear - the Emperor's own symbol - but the Imperial Aquila is stamped over pretty much everything from bolt shells to storage crates; it's the generic symbol of Imperial manufacture/property/territory, and common enough on armour.

 

I was all geared up to argue and be all "But the old lore..." except that the change made too much sense, and I loved it.

 

The Imperialis is what loyalist Space Marines started wearing during the Heresy to show their fidelity, but a lot of folks seem to forget that - and fortunately it's all over the standard Mk.VII kit, making for some sweet overlap. So the winged skull wouldn't be a rarity at all - it was one of the default ways of saying "I'm on the Blue Team." 

[Fenbain]

Thanks for the clarification guys :-) So Palatine Aquila was Emperor'Children/Honourific, Imperial Aquila was the stamp of ownership/production etc. on ship loads of stuff and the Imperialis (the winged skull?) was a symbol that started being used by the space marines to show their loyalty to the Emperor (roughly coinciding with MKVII being avaliable during the Siege of Tetra, after it was liberated from the surface of Mars). Is that correct?

[Marshal Rohr]

Guys, it's not like once you make a Heresy army you can't ever make one again and they chop off your hands. Build what your budgets allow now, and down the road if you get a promotion, iinheirit some cash, or something you can try again with the more historically accurate parts.

[MeatGrinder]

In my area there are 5 or 6 of us who play in the local GW store it is certainly growing round here however we've hit a snag.

 

The store manager has decreed that 30K will no longer be welcome as a mainstay of Thursday night gaming night. His justification was that despite selling B@C and BoP he doesn't sell the models that supports the game.

 

We're pretty hacked off as between us we've spent several hundreds of pounds in store on those two boxes alone not to mention all the paints etc

 

Cheers

 

Vogon.

 

Where do you live? Honestly if you manager is like that, send a messege to head office and tell them. They won't be too happy about it. Stores there to encourage you, not to push you away. Manager doesnt have the right to stop you playing the games you want to play. I super recommend anyone who has a manager thatt imposes stupid rules like these to do the same, likewise someone who bans forgeworld models.

 

 

OT though it isnt great in my area. Ive been at it since BaC came out, and I'm only starting to draw people in with prospero now. Mostt assumed it needed to be played at massive points levels instead of the 1750/2k most events run. Problem is the gaming group here is extremely small, maybe 20 of us max, and theres a split between 40k, AoS and two or three of us doing HH.

[Vogon]

 

In my area there are 5 or 6 of us who play in the local GW store it is certainly growing round here however we've hit a snag.

The store manager has decreed that 30K will no longer be welcome as a mainstay of Thursday night gaming night. His justification was that despite selling B@C and BoP he doesn't sell the models that supports the game.

We're pretty hacked off as between us we've spent several hundreds of pounds in store on those two boxes alone not to mention all the paints etc

Cheers

Vogon.

 

 

Where do you live? Honestly if you manager is like that, send a messege to head office and tell them. They won't be too happy about it. Stores there to encourage you, not to push you away. Manager doesnt have the right to stop you playing the games you want to play. I super recommend anyone who has a manager thatt imposes stupid rules like these to do the same, likewise someone who bans forgeworld models.

Sent customer service an email and got this back

Hi Andy

 

Thanks very much for the email (and for the spot on use of the word burgeoning!)

 

What people can and cannot do in store is left largely up to the individual managers. With regards to what can be played with etc is one of those things that the manager has the final say in. Perhaps putting your case forward to them directly might yeild you some success though.

 

I am sorry that I cannot give you your ideal answer here, but if you need anything further, please let me know.

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[Paradigm]

 

 

 

Way back before the first FW book was released, when we were looking at artwork internals at one of the HH meetings, I said: "But some of these Heresy guys have Aquilas on them..."

 

The change instituted back then was that the Palatine Aquila is what the Emperor's Children alone were allowed to wear - the Emperor's own symbol - but the Imperial Aquila is stamped over pretty much everything from bolt shells to storage crates; it's the generic symbol of Imperial manufacture/property/territory, and common enough on armour.

 

I was all geared up to argue and be all "But the old lore..." except that the change made too much sense, and I loved it.

 

The Imperialis is what loyalist Space Marines started wearing during the Heresy to show their fidelity, but a lot of folks seem to forget that - and fortunately it's all over the standard Mk.VII kit, making for some sweet overlap. So the winged skull wouldn't be a rarity at all - it was one of the default ways of saying "I'm on the Blue Team." 

 

 

Ah, I didn't realize the Palatine and Imperial aquilas were functionally different emblems. This does make too much sense. It is also very convenient for back conversions from 30k to 40k. 

[Obscura]

It's growing rather steadily where I live.

 

Right now the group is 50/50 on the 40k Arms race, half want fluffy fun games and the other half are well. . . waiting for someone to snap and hit them with an old pewter dreadnought in a sock.

 

I tend to game with people who want to have fun.