Meros Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 This is the first list I have made for 30k and I'm wondering if this would work for most games and as a good start. I really enjoy the blood angels fluff and the assault style rules they have. HQ Legion Praetor- Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Iron Halo, Digital Weapons, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Bolter, Charnabal Sabre, Paragon Blade. 212 points Command Squad- 5 Charnabel Sabres, 5 combat shields, Jump Packs, Standard Banner, Melta Bombs. 290 points Elites 10 mand Veteran Tactical Squad, Marksmen. Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox. 2 Heavy flamers. Rhino transport. Sergeant has Artificer armor and power sword. 295 points 10 mand Veteran Tactical Squad, Marksmen. Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox. 2 Heavy flamers. Rhino transport. Sergeant has Artificer armor and power sword. 295 points Troops 10 man assualt squad, Melta Bombs, 2 power swords, Sergeant has Artificer armor, combat shield, thunder hammer 278 points 10 man assualt squad, Melta Bombs, 2 power swords, Sergeant has Artificer armor, combat shield, thunder hammer 278 points 20 man tactical squad, Legion vexilla, Nuncio-Vox. Sergeant has Artificer armor and power sword 265 points 20 man tactical squad, Legion vexilla, Nuncio-Vox. Sergeant has Artificer armor and power sword 265 points Fast Attack Storm Eagle Gunship- Twin linked Multi melta, 2 twin linked lascannons, Amoured Ceramite 286 points Storm Eagle Gunship- Twin linked Multi melta, 2 twin linked lascannons, Amoured Ceramite 286 points Heavy Support Fire Raptor Gunship- 4 Hellstrike Missles, Reaper Autocannon battery 250 points I want to put the tactical squads in the storm eagles and have everything besides the veterans deep strike turn 1. hopefully I won't mishap. I picture it as the Angels coming down from the sky so its a fluffy list that I think will be really fun. Let me know if this would be some what competitive and if I should change anything, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 From all I see and hear, 15-man Assault squads are where it is at. Plus, no Jump Apothecaries to give them staying power? Definitely worth scrapping a Tac & Storm Eagle to adjust. Or the Vets, who will get torn apart in such small squads all on their lonesome out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meros Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 From all I see and hear, 15-man Assault squads are where it is at. Plus, no Jump Apothecaries to give them staying power? Definitely worth scrapping a Tac & Storm Eagle to adjust. Or the Vets, who will get torn apart in such small squads all on their lonesome out there. Okay, I like the idea of the bigger assault squads. I didn't know I could give the apothercaries jump packs. I took out the veterans with there rhinos and added the extra assault marines and another power weapon in each squad. Im at 2750 points with the changes. For 250 points, im not really sure what I could add that fits with the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macabre Slanneshi Prince Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Maybe a small fleet of Grav Gun speeders to take down heavy armor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 From all I see and hear, 15-man Assault squads are where it is at. Plus, no Jump Apothecaries to give them staying power? Definitely worth scrapping a Tac & Storm Eagle to adjust. Or the Vets, who will get torn apart in such small squads all on their lonesome out there. Okay, I like the idea of the bigger assault squads. I didn't know I could give the apothercaries jump packs. I took out the veterans with there rhinos and added the extra assault marines and another power weapon in each squad. Im at 2750 points with the changes. For 250 points, im not really sure what I could add that fits with the army. Scrap the Meltabombs on the squads. Only one guy can throw them anyhow, so just go with a Sarge w/ PFist or TH to bust up armor. That saves you like 150pt! That nets you another 15-man Assault squad with a Jump Apothecary. Scrap the Nuncio Vox (no need for them, your Deep Strikers arrive before those guys are on the table), scrap the Meltabombs on the Cmd Squad, and shift some points around to get an Apothecary in those Tac Squads (drop to 19 dudes). So, something like this maybe: HQ: Legion Praetor Paragon Blade, Lightning Claw, Jump Pack, Iron Halo, Digital Weapons [205] Elites: (3) Apothecarion Detachment Jump Packs [180] Troops: (15) Assault Squad 3x Power Axes, Thunder Hammer, Artificer Armor, Combat Shield [303] (15) Assault Squad 3x Power Axes, Thunder Hammer, Artificer Armor, Combat Shield [303] (15) Assault Squad 3x Power Axes, Thunder Hammer, Artificer Armor, Combat Shield [303] (17) Tactical Squad Vexilla, BP/CCWs, Power Fist, Artificer Armor [230] (17) Tactical Squad Vexilla, BP/CCWs, Power Fist, Artificer Armor [230] Fast Attack: Storm Eagle TL MM, TL Las, Armored Ceramite [285] Storm Eagle TL MM, TL Las, Armored Ceramite [285] Heavy Support: Fire Raptor Armored Ceramite, Reaper Battery, 4x Hellstrike [250] Leviathan Dreadnought Armored Ceramite, Phosphex Discharger, CML Dreadnought Drop Pod [425] [2999] 49 Marines dropping in on T1 without a roll and getting a 5+ cover save, with all of their shooting causing Pinning. Not bad! The squads have FNP now, meaning they should survive that drop turn to get into combat, which they do at +1 Initiative. The Combat shields are insurance because of the "By Honour Bound" meaning you will be fighting challenges and at Initiative 1 thanks to the Hammers, but with a 2+/5++/5+ FNP, you should survive to swing. The Leviathan is your answer to that must-kill vehicle, as the CML is S9 AP1 Melta that will most likely be within that magical 9" on the drop. you should pretty easily nuke whatever is in front of it and with that 4++ on that 13/13/12 chassis... just gross. Plus, with Severing Cut, it does a whole lot of hurt to toughness based models. The Phosphex is an ugly way to erase a squad nearby too at S5 AP2 Poisoned 3+. So nasty. The Tactical Squads are mid- and late-game objective takers, mostly. Enough dudes to last against a diminished enemy, ideally. Skipped Apoths on them with hope it won't be a necessity. This list is so very straight-forward. Alpha strike and mop up. And it doesn't deviate too much from your own list (I tried not to!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkaira Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 ^With that list they shall know fear. Artistically fluffy list which is competitive too. Wonderful. Can I hire you as my basement troll to build lists for me? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 ^With that list they shall know fear. Artistically fluffy list which is competitive too. Wonderful. Can I hire you as my basement troll to build lists for me? Yea, feel free. I literally make lists on my down time at work (shhh, don't tell). Plus, list building helps me understand opponent's armies better. If you get this built and on the table, post up some results and pics! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meros Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 ^With that list they shall know fear. Artistically fluffy list which is competitive too. Wonderful. Can I hire you as my basement troll to build lists for me? Yea, feel free. I literally make lists on my down time at work (shhh, don't tell). Plus, list building helps me understand opponent's armies better. If you get this built and on the table, post up some results and pics! It will be awhile but currently the Fire Raptor, Praetor, and some assault marines are getting painted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meros Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 If the storm eagle, and the fire raptor have the deep strike special rule as well, wouldn't they also come in on turn 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 If the storm eagle, and the fire raptor have the deep strike special rule as well, wouldn't they also come in on turn 1? Nope. It says specifically Jump Infantry units. ^With that list they shall know fear. Artistically fluffy list which is competitive too. Wonderful. Can I hire you as my basement troll to build lists for me? Yea, feel free. I literally make lists on my down time at work (shhh, don't tell). Plus, list building helps me understand opponent's armies better. If you get this built and on the table, post up some results and pics! It will be awhile but currently the Fire Raptor, Praetor, and some assault marines are getting painted. NICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meros Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 If the storm eagle, and the fire raptor have the deep strike special rule as well, wouldn't they also come in on turn 1? Nope. It says specifically Jump Infantry units. ^With that list they shall know fear. Artistically fluffy list which is competitive too. Wonderful. Can I hire you as my basement troll to build lists for me? Yea, feel free. I literally make lists on my down time at work (shhh, don't tell). Plus, list building helps me understand opponent's armies better. If you get this built and on the table, post up some results and pics! It will be awhile but currently the Fire Raptor, Praetor, and some assault marines are getting painted. NICE! Thanks for the advice man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 No prob, bro. Hope it serves you well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I disagree about putting too many points into Assault Marines. It just makes them a larger target, and they die like flies to Scorpius Whirlwinds or phosphex barrages. That said, this whole section here: 20 man tactical squad, Legion vexilla, Nuncio-Vox. Sergeant has Artificer armor and power sword 265 points 20 man tactical squad, Legion vexilla, Nuncio-Vox. Sergeant has Artificer armor and power sword 265 points Fast Attack Storm Eagle Gunship- Twin linked Multi melta, 2 twin linked lascannons, Amoured Ceramite 286 points Storm Eagle Gunship- Twin linked Multi melta, 2 twin linked lascannons, Amoured Ceramite 286 points is 1102 points of garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I disagree about putting too many points into Assault Marines. It just makes them a larger target, and they die like flies to Scorpius Whirlwinds or phosphex barrages. And that argument can be made about literally all infantry units. Sweating every single contingency will make you not want to even put dudes on the table. The list can work, like any list can work, if it plays to its strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Not really. The more you invest the more of your army is contained in that unit the more threat and KP it represents to your opponent. If you build an Assault Marine Death Star, it will get the attention warranted by a Death Star minus the normal durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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