Ragnair Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Hey, I have been discussing Storm Shields for Imperial Fists as I am making them as my second legion, and the question is - Is it possible to have them with Tartaros terminator armour? Because the wording says "standard terminator armor for 15pts"..10 for cataphractii... And Tartaros probably isn't "standard" terminator armor, is it? Have found somewhere that it should be indomitus, so the 40k one... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Tartaros isn't standard anymore ever since they gave it its own rules so those of us who had them before are SOL and those who are looking to make some: its currently illegal. Whether its oversight or intentional is anyones guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4572752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Hey, I have been discussing Storm Shields for Imperial Fists as I am making them as my second legion, and the question is - Is it possible to have them with Tartaros terminator armour? Because the wording says "standard terminator armor for 15pts"..10 for cataphractii... And Tartaros probably isn't "standard" terminator armor, is it? Have found somewhere that it should be indomitus, so the 40k one... You will find in a lot of local groups that the situation is simply being resolved by a house rule allowing them to be put on all three. I would suggest contacting your local groups and seeing which way they play this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4574999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 It's a little subjective due to when and how the rules were clarified but, yes, it is currently illegal. It's sort of easy to see why it would be intentional. 3++ and running/ sweeping makes IF Tartaros some of the Best vanilla termies out there with little drawbacks for sure. Especially in Stone Gauntlet where they can get T5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4575459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 It's a little subjective due to when and how the rules were clarified but, yes, it is currently illegal. It's sort of easy to see why it would be intentional. 3++ and running/ sweeping makes IF Tartaros some of the Best vanilla termies out there with little drawbacks for sure. Especially in Stone Gauntlet where they can get T5. That's hardly broken though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4576800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 True - but until FW clarify RAW it is indeed illegal. Personally though - I'd play against it, especially if someone has taken the time and love to convert some cool models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4585414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Like the 15 Tartaros Terminators I currently have sitting on my painting desk being "illegal" makes me grit my teeth to no end since Ive had them for 2-3 years... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4585873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Like the 15 Tartaros Terminators I currently have sitting on my painting desk being "illegal" makes me grit my teeth to no end since Ive had them for 2-3 years... Slips , I will make more SS Tartaros Termis next week , just so we can suffer together ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4586178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Like the 15 Tartaros Terminators I currently have sitting on my painting desk being "illegal" makes me grit my teeth to no end since Ive had them for 2-3 years... Slips , I will make more SS Tartaros Termis next week , just so we can suffer together ! Yay! *cries* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4586181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Little bit more credance to the "Cataphractii only" argument: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/16/new-kit-for-your-cataphractii-terminators/ Specifically calls the shields out as being compatible with Cataphractii, while this could simply be because there is a plastic kit for them, it does mention the resin too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4624807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Little bit more credance to the "Cataphractii only" argument: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/16/new-kit-for-your-cataphractii-terminators/ Specifically calls the shields out as being compatible with Cataphractii, while this could simply be because there is a plastic kit for them, it does mention the resin too! Ummm because that is the Cataphractii Storm Shields, just like the below is the Tartaros specific Storm Shield: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AT/Space-Marine-Terminator-Weapon-Set Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4625522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Little bit more credance to the "Cataphractii only" argument: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/16/new-kit-for-your-cataphractii-terminators/ Specifically calls the shields out as being compatible with Cataphractii, while this could simply be because there is a plastic kit for them, it does mention the resin too! Ummm because that is the Cataphractii Storm Shields, just like the below is the Tartaros specific Storm Shield: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AT/Space-Marine-Terminator-Weapon-Set You will note that is not in the 30k section of the website. Tartaros in 40K are just regular terminators, just like they used to be in 30K. As rules currently written, this thread consensus is right, no shields for Tartaros. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4625668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Little bit more credance to the "Cataphractii only" argument: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/16/new-kit-for-your-cataphractii-terminators/ Specifically calls the shields out as being compatible with Cataphractii, while this could simply be because there is a plastic kit for them, it does mention the resin too! Ummm because that is the Cataphractii Storm Shields, just like the below is the Tartaros specific Storm Shield: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AT/Space-Marine-Terminator-Weapon-Set You will note that is not in the 30k section of the website. Tartaros in 40K are just regular terminators, just like they used to be in 30K. As rules currently written, this thread consensus is right, no shields for Tartaros. lol ok Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4627764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 has anyone emailed FW for clarity? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4633371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I did a while ago (after the latest red book was issued) The gist of the reply was that Tartaros armour wasnt used by IF do you can't take shields. Fealt like a rushed answer to me which also doesn't tally with some of the art work. I still think it's an oversight that will hopefully (fingers crossed!) get sorted in a future FAQ. That said, as it stands, I'm not taking Tartaros with shields (which is a shame as they would be our best 'unique unit' IMO - without being overpowered). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4633426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 To me it looks intentional. FW perhaps feel that a unit with 3++ able to sweep is OP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4635003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Maybe But as good as FW is i wouldn't give them too much credit - I feel it's just another example of some disjointed rules writing. When you could take Tartaros and shields I never heard anyone moan that they were Op - you had to pay a lot of points to have 3++ sweep! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4635504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 It's not "a lot" of points if you would take it in a heartbeat. I see a whole lot of lists featuring a shielded unit. I don't think anyone would have a problem paying the extra 20 points or whatever for the unit to be able to sweep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4635698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Theyre still WS4 1W Terminators that pay +20ppm for a Power Fist and 3++ with the ability to sweep. And then they fight a Fearless Unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4635714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 It still seems too good. While there is fearless in 30k it's not all that prevalent either... at least in my group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4635720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Maybe But as good as FW is i wouldn't give them too much credit - I feel it's just another example of some disjointed rules writing. When you could take Tartaros and shields I never heard anyone moan that they were Op - you had to pay a lot of points to have 3++ sweep! Its not a lot of points... its 5 ppm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4636480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Maybe But as good as FW is i wouldn't give them too much credit - I feel it's just another example of some disjointed rules writing. When you could take Tartaros and shields I never heard anyone moan that they were Op - you had to pay a lot of points to have 3++ sweep! Its not a lot of points... its 5 ppm A vigil pattern stormshield is 15 points per model on tartaros armor A vigil pattern sotmrshield is 10 points per model on Cataprachtii armor A powerfist is 5 points per model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4636615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If only they were only 5 ppm! (Lucky salamanders!!) You also need to factor in the fact that they are losing their combi bolter (which is BS5 for IF) perhaps not a huge sacrifice but still should be taken into account. IMO they are not an auto include but are a very popular option for IF players because; They are a competitive unit - I won't deny, it but they are far from OP Our unique units are very underwhelming They posses unique wargear and so are a fluffy unit to take They look great I'm still going to take them but only on cataphractii now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4636954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 IF doesn't have to go all shield so they are pretty much auto include except for a plasma blaster and maybe assault cannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4637321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 · Hidden by Slips, January 29, 2017 - Unhelpful. Hidden by Slips, January 29, 2017 - Unhelpful. Maybe But as good as FW is i wouldn't give them too much credit - I feel it's just another example of some disjointed rules writing. When you could take Tartaros and shields I never heard anyone moan that they were Op - you had to pay a lot of points to have 3++ sweep! Its not a lot of points... its 5 ppm A vigil pattern stormshield is 15 points per model on Indomitus armor A vigil pattern sotmrshield is 10 points per model on Cataprachtii armor A powerfist is 5 points per model. Fixed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328185-imperial-fists-storm-shields-and-tartaros/#findComment-4637330
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