Mellow Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Absolutely loved the story, the variety of characters, the setting. Seriously one of the best HH I have read for a long time. Well done ADB! (Spoilers beware!) Some thoughts I had the famous sword name was unexpected but made me believe being killed by it was a possible future the E had seen The strange Blood Angel that kept smiling all the time was creepy :) The Custodian being told that smiling was not a good way to pretend to be Human (or something like that) The Primarchs being referred to by numbers was interesting The E in a hazmat suit. I had an image of Him in my mind as having a steamed up visor not being able to see anything "hello ... anyone there?" hehe The amazing bond between Custodian and Emperor was a brilliant take on things. The vision on the Emperor as a child killing his uncle with his psychic powers for killing his dad. This clinched the deal for me that he is "just" an incredible supernova powered psychic perpetual ... although it's all just a vision and could be made up to prove that nothing has to be the way it seems. The webway being sealed for me is a good thing proving that the throne really is just primarily for life support and not doing a hodor "hold-the-door" on the webway Poor Custodian at the end. I really had some feelings of sadness for this guy. He was so confused and sad but his loyalty came through. The E's injuries didn't seem to bother him for very long. He must be rather powerful! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Im still making my way through it. But I too loved the scene with Him growing up in Asia Minor. When the custodian asks, " Did you grow up here?" The Emperor doesn't reply in denial or confirmation. I heard a silent "A part of me did." in that scene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 The strange Blood Angel that kept smiling all the time was creepy Moar info about this, I demand it! Spoilers be damned!! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 I've nothing against them smiling. He just did it a lot whilst talking to mortals. Perhaps this was ADBs take on making the BA seem more "caring" like their Primarch is. Not a spoiler as such. Just an impression I got whilst reading. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I've nothing against them smiling. He just did it a lot whilst talking to mortals. Perhaps this was ADBs take on making the BA seem more "caring" like their Primarch is. Not a spoiler as such. Just an impression I got whilst reading. He is more human. A D-B made amazing job here showing how distant Custodians are comparing to SM. We always saw how different SM are to simple humans, but now we had a clear view of Custodes being totally unhuman. And probably that's the best depiction Custodians ever could have - cause they 'made' this way. To be exalted bodyguards of the biggest Transhuman in the universe. To be successful in that you should be totally ubhuman Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 I absolutely loved the way the Custodians were shown to be amazing combat specialists. I got a very Spartans from the 300 movie vibe when the scene was showing a single Custodian fighting in a hololith. Truly spectacular. Especially as they essentially have their own arming droids for lack of a better term. "Catch this and refill it while I use my dual swords" Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I definitely want the talons of the emperor list to have arming serfs to boost squad numbers and act as meatshields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 a custodes trying to smile http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/vKM_t4MPdVcfateuBJ2NoDfykM/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Terminator-Smile.gif.pagespeed.ce.kwQ2qSsQi6_SPmZg-3Yp.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 a custodes trying to smile http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/vKM_t4MPdVcfateuBJ2NoDfykM/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Terminator-Smile.gif.pagespeed.ce.kwQ2qSsQi6_SPmZg-3Yp.gif Exactly ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'd actually be curious if custodians look down on astartes like most astartes look down on humans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'd actually be curious if custodians look down on astartes like most astartes look down on humans. My copy has yet to arrive, but from spoilers, I would say yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yeh, they definitely aren't big fans of space marines. I had this tie in for my Custodes and Fists Ive gotta scrap now. There was a battle during the GC with 10k fists and 100 custodes I thought would be a cool history point for my dudes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Hmm, would have loved to know the relationship between custodes and thunder warriors. From what I understand, thunder warriors were superior in strength and toughness to astartes, but were less stable, more vicious, and generally more "human". Wonder if they were a match to custodes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 They didn't like the thunder warriors either. They don't seem to be all that interested in anyone but themselves and the sisters of silence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'm guessing their job description leads them to a state of super paranoia/elitism. By the way, does it mention if the SoS are all collected as naturally born pariahs? Or are they also modified humans? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 They didn't like the thunder warriors either. They don't seem to be all that interested in anyone but themselves and the sisters of silence. Why do sisters get a pass? Familiarity? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I imagine that the sisters are directly under E-monies command, with their commander having the same level of interaction with him as the custodes commander Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'd actually be curious if custodians look down on astartes like most astartes look down on humans. We actually directly pointed out that they do exactly that. Custodes think of SM as overspilled guffy treacherous weapons - who does not deserve to be relied on or given Emperors protection Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'd actually be curious if custodians look down on astartes like most astartes look down on humans. Oh they don't trust them. Plus the battle scene shows them cutting through Astartes like Astartes cut through Humans. Which in my mind is how it should be as they are genetically mini Primarchs. They looks down on Astartes because they have extra organs to make them better. Custodians are genetically rewritten as far as I can tell. No implants. Just volunteers (forced or otherwise). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'd actually be curious if custodians look down on astartes like most astartes look down on humans. Oh they don't trust them. Plus the battle scene shows them cutting through Astartes like Astartes cut through Humans. Which in my mind is how it should be as they are genetically mini Primarchs. They looks down on Astartes because they have extra organs to make them better. Custodians are genetically rewritten as far as I can tell. No implants. Just volunteers (forced or otherwise). Forced volunteers :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 I imagine that the sisters are directly under E-monies command, with their commander having the same level of interaction with him as the custodes commander Pretty much. Different responsibilities and tasks though obviously. Strange how then being pariah never seems to bother The Emperor though. Wonder why that is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Even a resistor in an electrical circuit can be blown out if the current is strong enough (hope im right with that analogy) Personally I don't think E-zizil is human (or merely a perpetual). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 You think The Emperor is a filthy Xeno? Heresy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 So are Custodes to SM as SM are to Guardsmen? What y'all think? Zephon’s pale eyes narrowed, his concentration absolute, taking in the ballet of violence unfolding before him. He had seen the warriors of the Ten Thousand fight before, albeit only in grainy pict footage. He had heard the countless unpoetic comparisons describing their uniqueness as the perfect exemplar of a process that became diluted and rushed to mass-produce the Legiones Astartes. Yet he had never seen them in battle against Space Marines. This warrior reaved through them – reaved through Zephon’s cousins from the rebellious Legions – cutting them down, butchering them the way Zephon himself had massacred his way across human and alien battlefields. How easy, all of a sudden, to see how Constantin Valdor, the Captain-General of the Custodian Guard, was considered an equal of the primarchs themselves in matters of blade-work, when any Custodian could be as skilled as this. The context is that it's from Zeph's limited perspective and the Custodian in action is Ra, an elite tribune perhaps not far below Valdor himself...but still really impressive no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yeah, sounds like they are that league apart. I dig it, as a Khârn fan boy, it feels right to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/#findComment-4577998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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