Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I imagine that the sisters are directly under E-monies command, with their commander having the same level of interaction with him as the custodes commander Pretty much. Different responsibilities and tasks though obviously. Strange how then being pariah never seems to bother The Emperor though. Wonder why that is. We sort of saw why - even Drach'nyen, even though affected by the Sisters, plowed through them. IIRC Blanks, like psykers, come with relative degrees of 'blankiness', and a powerful psychic being should still be able to overpower their null auras. I'd actually be curious if custodians look down on astartes like most astartes look down on humans. Some do. Diocletian definitely did, but I didn't get the impression that his views were necessarily commonplace amongst his peers. A mixed bag, if anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 They didn't like the thunder warriors either. They don't seem to be all that interested in anyone but themselves and the sisters of silence.Why do sisters get a pass? Familiarity?More than likely the custodes trust them because the Emperor does. I imagine that the sisters are directly under E-monies command, with their commander having the same level of interaction with him as the custodes commanderPretty much. Different responsibilities and tasks though obviously. Strange how then being pariah never seems to bother The Emperor though. Wonder why that is. We sort of saw why - even Drach'nyen, even though affected by the Sisters, plowed through them. IIRC Blanks, like psykers, come with relative degrees of 'blankiness', and a powerful psychic being should still be able to overpower their null auras. I'd actually be curious if custodians look down on astartes like most astartes look down on humans.Some do. Diocletian definitely did, but I didn't get the impression that his views were necessarily commonplace amongst his peers. A mixed bag, if anything.It's becoming increasingly clear that the 'angels of death' may not have been labeled that way because everyone likes them. It seems like as it pans out the Imperium thinks of space marines as the angels of death because every time they show up bad things happen. If you're Joe Nobody on a civilized world in Obscurus and the first time you see a space marine he kills your son in the army to make you join the Imperium, and the next time you see one he's telling you to work overtime at your job in a factory making bolt shells for the warmaster, and the next time you see one he's burning down your factory and town for providing aid to the traitors your opinion of space marines won't be that high. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 To be fair I got the impression that Custodians are extremely neutral when it comes to emotions. They are only interested in loyalty and following the word of their king and their king only. I loved the end of the story too. When the Emperor says "I don't know" That really looks like he knows that was Humanities last chance and it's over win or lose. At that point I'm even more convinced he is Human as he is powerless to stop events. Plus he doesn't seem to care about people's feelings much due to his Great Works It will be interesting to see what they do with Him seeing as he now appears to be not stuck to the Throne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'd like him to walk unannounced into a war council meeting, sit down at a table, and say 'so what did I miss? Is Horus beaten yet?' While everyone kind of shuffles and stares at very interesting rivets and grates on the walls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 It's becoming increasingly clear that the 'angels of death' may not have been labeled that way because everyone likes them. It seems like as it pans out the Imperium thinks of space marines as the angels of death because every time they show up bad things happen. Well, they're not called the Angels of Peace for a reason. I'll also just leave this in addendum from Will of Iron 2: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 DUDE! Where can I find that comic!? I didn't know they even made those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 page 1 of google search results, surprisingly, when I went searching I thought I'd need to go deep but nope, right there for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 To be fair I got the impression that Custodians are extremely neutral when it comes to emotions.They are only interested in loyalty and following the word of their king and their king only.I loved the end of the story too. When the Emperor says "I don't know"That really looks like he knows that was Humanities last chance and it's over win or lose.At that point I'm even more convinced he is Human as he is powerless to stop events.Plus he doesn't seem to care about people's feelings much due to his Great Works It will be interesting to see what they do with Him seeing as he now appears to be not stuck to the Throne He still is stuck with the throne. He managed to get away for a few hours because he hooked up a thousand psykers and literally burnt them out to power it. As the routed imperials get back to the dungeon he retakes his place. Interesting to note that the Emperor had 10,000 pods prepared in the event of an emergency. And even more so now we know what happens to those "honoured" few who are fed to the throne every day Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 That part I didn't follow. If he sealed the gateway permanently I don't get why he needed to get back on the throne. I might've missed it in my first read through. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 The series is a bit confusing as to the Emperor's origins. From what I heard, MoM seems to indicate he's merely a man, but other novels in the series (at least one) support the suicide pact shaman theory Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Really? I couldn't remember if that old fluff was ever stated in the series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I see it as we don't know enough about the Big E but we think we do. GW/BL are so obtuse about Him that they skirt around the juicy bits of the Big E but they still give us a glimpse into what He is and that leaves us clamouring for more! They've also got to a point where they've got the series to where it is and there's always been tid bits along the whole years of GW that they've elaborated on and others we've heard nothing on their stance but it still generates debate on, is He the creation of the suicide shaman or is He the first and greatest Perpetual or maybe he is the first and greatest psyker but maybe he's someone nicked the Perpetual nature ala Apocalypse in X-Men: Age of Apocalypse? That's one thing I've hotly debated, is He really a Perpetual? I'd like to read a story on a battle from, I don't know when, where a General or equivalent has died in the battle but they've not found the corpse and people swore they saw the leader go down and bleed out or whatever, purely because is there anywhere that it's mentioned that He "died" then popped up hours later like Vulcan, Alivia and John (Yes, John was "given" the power by The Cabal). And was He not on the GT to keep the door closed? Extra security? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 He flexed his fist and psychically cut off the power to the various machines. He's not attached to the throne due to the final scene showing him walking off. I'm sure that was not a vision as in every other vision he used +Awaken+ to finish it. For consistency he didn't do that in the final scene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yeah, sounds like they are that league apart. I dig it, as a Khârn fan boy, it feels right to me. How is it relevant to Khârn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yeah, sounds like they are that league apart. I dig it, as a Khârn fan boy, it feels right to me. How is it relevant to Khârn? Because Khârn is exceptional, but still just a marine. I have no issues with something being a breed apart so to speak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 seems like the way some custodes view astartes isn't that different to the way some astartes view partial astartes like kor phaeron and if the emp is actually a perpetual and they're all kin- maybe there were other competing emperors in the beginning. rival perpetuals who gathered knowledge and power on a similar scale that the emperor eventually killed so there could be only one (yeah, you know what i'm saying...the emperor's true name is connor macleod) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 To be fair I got the impression that Custodians are extremely neutral when it comes to emotions. They are only interested in loyalty and following the word of their king and their king only. I loved the end of the story too. When the Emperor says "I don't know" That really looks like he knows that was Humanities last chance and it's over win or lose. At that point I'm even more convinced he is Human as he is powerless to stop events. Plus he doesn't seem to care about people's feelings much due to his Great Works It will be interesting to see what they do with Him seeing as he now appears to be not stuck to the Throne He still is stuck with the throne. He managed to get away for a few hours because he hooked up a thousand psykers and literally burnt them out to power it. As the routed imperials get back to the dungeon he retakes his place. Interesting to note that the Emperor had 10,000 pods prepared in the event of an emergency. And even more so now we know what happens to those "honoured" few who are fed to the throne every day Yeah, it was the Custodian wandering off at the end, the final scene before those couple of lines literally has the Emperor sat on the throne with the power off and a host of daemons on 'the other side' of the 'now just a door' portal. A cliff hangar set in a cave, neat! It'll be interesting to see what's done with it, from there, but I find it hard to see anyone else "just wandering off" from there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 To be fair I got the impression that Custodians are extremely neutral when it comes to emotions. They are only interested in loyalty and following the word of their king and their king only. I loved the end of the story too. When the Emperor says "I don't know" That really looks like he knows that was Humanities last chance and it's over win or lose. At that point I'm even more convinced he is Human as he is powerless to stop events. Plus he doesn't seem to care about people's feelings much due to his Great Works It will be interesting to see what they do with Him seeing as he now appears to be not stuck to the Throne Definitely wonna know why he wouldn't be leading from the front, lol To be fair I got the impression that Custodians are extremely neutral when it comes to emotions. They are only interested in loyalty and following the word of their king and their king only. I loved the end of the story too. When the Emperor says "I don't know" That really looks like he knows that was Humanities last chance and it's over win or lose. At that point I'm even more convinced he is Human as he is powerless to stop events. Plus he doesn't seem to care about people's feelings much due to his Great Works It will be interesting to see what they do with Him seeing as he now appears to be not stuck to the Throne He still is stuck with the throne. He managed to get away for a few hours because he hooked up a thousand psykers and literally burnt them out to power it. As the routed imperials get back to the dungeon he retakes his place. Interesting to note that the Emperor had 10,000 pods prepared in the event of an emergency. And even more so now we know what happens to those "honoured" few who are fed to the throne every day You kinda missed some paragraphs it seems - they deactivated the Webway. It is closed - it is now an inert door into wall. He has no reasons not to attend Siege on Palace in person. He is not seating at his Throne anymore I think A D-B with Laurie approvement has done that to troll us We now have more questions for the future than we had before, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 He flexed his fist and psychically cut off the power to the various machines. He's not attached to the throne due to the final scene showing him walking off. I'm sure that was not a vision as in every other vision he used +Awaken+ to finish it. For consistency he didn't do that in the final scene. It's most certainly a vision as Diocletian is present almost directly after reaching the Dungeons. All that the lack of +Awaken+ really signifies is that we don't see Dio returning to his surroundings as it were. And given that it explicitly states that the Emperor retook his place on the throne before detonating the machinery keeping the portal to the Webway open that's about as conclusive as it can be. As for sealing it permanently, as I understand it, the daemons flooding the Webway from the other side could still have caused a Warp Rift within the Dungeon if not for the Emperor's power holding them back, much as he did with the Mechanicum constructed portions within the Webway itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 All true enough. I'm sure some clarification will be given by the time the Siege books start. Also it's noted that there are 10k slots for psykers to be plugged into. Given that perpetual heal extremely quickly is it out of the realms of possibility that if 10k psykers were used simultaneously that it would give The Emperor a chance to return his soul to his body and heal up? (Being that 1k a day are burned anyway and psykers seem to be essential batteries when it comes to plugging them in) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 All true enough. I'm sure some clarification will be given by the time the Siege books start. Also it's noted that there are 10k slots for psykers to be plugged into. Given that perpetual heal extremely quickly is it out of the realms of possibility that if 10k psykers were used simultaneously that it would give The Emperor a chance to return his soul to his body and heal up? (Being that 1k a day are burned anyway and psykers seem to be essential batteries when it comes to plugging them in) We don't know if 1k psykers are burned every day - webway closed off - no need I think we should wait for the next 'Terra' book to have resolution for this Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4578892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 All true enough. I'm sure some clarification will be given by the time the Siege books start. Also it's noted that there are 10k slots for psykers to be plugged into. Given that perpetual heal extremely quickly is it out of the realms of possibility that if 10k psykers were used simultaneously that it would give The Emperor a chance to return his soul to his body and heal up? (Being that 1k a day are burned anyway and psykers seem to be essential batteries when it comes to plugging them in) Given that using 1,000 of them gave him a day to leave the Throne, I'd say that it's inevitable it'll happen during the Siege, even with Malcador assuming the Emperor's place on the Throne when he went to have it out with Horus. And I'm guessing the 10,000 cradles will have some sort of significance when it comes to the Golden Throne being modified to keep the Emperor alive afterwards Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4579245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 seems like the way some custodes view astartes isn't that different to the way some astartes view partial astartes like kor phaeron That's a sharp observation... Not even talking about "power levels"...just the attitude of superiority the Custodians hold Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4579727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 seems like the way some custodes view astartes isn't that different to the way some astartes view partial astartes like kor phaeron That's a sharp observation... Not even talking about "power levels"...just the attitude of superiority the Custodians hold Being modified fundamentally on genetic level and being a guardian for a God can do that to your hubris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4580133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 It's all about Custodians knowing they are created in a superior way when compared to the mass produced slop that the Astartes are made from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328304-finally-finished-mom/page/2/#findComment-4580154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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