slitth Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I have read that the Thousand Sons had the practice of secondment some of the member to other legions. And the Word Bearers help Librarians of other legion to find their place after the Decree of Nikaea. I wonder if there are other examples of this kind of secondment. Perhaps some Librarians of the other legions were secondment to the Thousand Sons to learn to use the powers? Or some marines where sent to Deliverance to learn about stealth tactics? Do you know of any examples of this or where a legion would deny secondment from another legion in to their ranks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 In a few of the books secondments are mentioned, the primary one we see was from 1k sons to the wolves (which was mentioned to be especially rough and that few managed to complete a term on that secondment). I would venture to say that the secondments would probably not focus too much on learning one specific trait, even though there probably would be a trend towards sending peeps who had a propensity for the second legions warfare style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4582526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Thinking of secondments that'd make sense, one thing that hasn't been touched on is the link with the Blood Angels. Sanguinius played a role in creating the architecture of the Librarius system, and two such cultured Legions would probably get on well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4582587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 In Angels of Caliban, Typhon and his men are on secondment with the Luna Wolves, so it definitely happened outside of the Chaplain program/Thousand Sons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4582675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Well the Death Guard and Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus have always had a close relationship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4582797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slitth Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 Perhaps some of the legions relationship or hostility are base on how well a secondment went. I also see some of the legion as more open to secondment, like the Thousand Sons, Luna Wolves and Ultramarines. They probably see themselves as teachers and mentors to other legions. Where legions like the Night Lords or Alpha Legion keep the trick to themselves. I could see a Alpha Legion Librarian being instructed on Prospero. But the Thousand Sons would be disappointed by the Librarians unwillingness to give something back. As the Thousand Sons want to spread knowledge and enlightenment and the Alpha Legion is about gathering and controlling knowledge. It's like of a wikipedia vs CIA interest conflict Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4583445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 One of the main characters in Scars is the commander of a company which had been attached to the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus for years (when a Khan addresses him in the Scars manner he is momentarily confused as he's so used to being called Captain). I could see a Alpha Legion Librarian being instructed on Prospero. But the Thousand Sons would be disappointed by the Librarians unwillingness to give something back. As the Thousand Sons want to spread knowledge and enlightenment and the Alpha Legion is about gathering and controlling knowledge. It's like of a wikipedia vs CIA interest conflict You insult the Alpha Legion sir! No Alpha Legionnaire would be sent to Prospero without operatives having first ascertained what his instructors would want in return, and he would not be sent without such a trade being judged worth it. If he simply turned up and refused to play ball they might actually probe him deep enough to realise he was Alpha Legion! (Instead of whatever legion his cover story was) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4583523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slitth Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 You insult the Alpha Legion sir! No Alpha Legionnaire would be sent to Prospero without operatives having first ascertained what his instructors would want in return, and he would not be sent without such a trade being judged worth it. If he simply turned up and refused to play ball they might actually probe him deep enough to realise he was Alpha Legion! (Instead of whatever legion his cover story was) It would be pragmatic to get as much Intel about the other legions as possible, from as many angles as possible. You never know when you are gonna fight them. So having a few battle brothers secondment with other legions for a while would be worth the time. It would probably also create opportunities to get another agent is place at the same time. And let the other legion send the warriors to Alpha Legion, they will get a nice cruise around the galaxy while they "try" to catch up to the Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4584479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Well the Death Guard and Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus have always had a close relationship. Doesn't change the point, other Legions would (and did) do the same thing. Obviously you're not going to see Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors exchange brothers on a 'get to know each other' kind of basis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4584901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 One of the main characters in Scars is the commander of a company which had been attached to the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus for years (when a Khan addresses him in the Scars manner he is momentarily confused as he's so used to being called Captain) That would be Torghun Khan...a Terran recruit who had always yearned to join Lupercal's legion. He raved about the XVIth's unrelenting tactics after returning to his hit-and-run comrades of the Vth The Luna Wolves had also seconded at least one of theirs to the WS No confirmation had yet come of Meduson or any of his agents reaching Dwell. If he had beaten the 63rd in the race, it was thought unlikely he would position himself at the Precinct. This role would probably be handed off to one of his trusted warleaders, perhaps Bion Henricos, or to one of the White Scars captains such as Hibou Khan or Kublon Besk. ‘Let us hope for the Fifth,’ said Lev Goshen, Captain of the Twenty Fifth Company, who was to command the second wave behind Aximand. ‘Ill-favoured for static defence, they will make themselves crazy waiting for our overture, stuck in one place.’ ‘The Scars should not be underestimated,’ said Grael Noctua, Sergeant of the Warlocked Tactical Squad. Goshen glanced up from the strategium display, looked at Noctua, and caught Aximand’s eye. ‘He’s got a voice, then,’ he remarked. There had been some murmuring amongst the upper ranks of the Legion when Noctua’s role as second to Aximand for the Mausolytic assault had been announced. ‘I have been advised I had better use it well, captain,’ said Noctua. There was a reserve to him, a restraint that reminded Aximand of someone. Noctua had that true son face, but the balance of humours was unusual: there was less of the arrogant charismatic and more of the calculated intellectual. Abaddon described Noctua as a blade weapon rather than a firearm. Goshen grinned. ‘Let’s have your wisdom, Noctua,’ he said. ‘I had the honour to serve alongside a detachment of the Fifth Legion seven years ago during the Tyrade System Compliance. They impressed me with their battlecraft. I was reminded of the Wolves.’ ‘The Luna Wolves?’ asked Goshen. ‘The Wolves of Fenris, sir,’ Noctua replied. ‘That’s two enemies you’ve mentioned,’ said Goshen. ‘You understand they are our enemies, don’t you, Noctua?’ ‘I understand they are both utterly lethal,’ replied Noctua. ‘Should we not appreciate the qualities of our enemies above all else?’ Obviously the Vth and XVIth were rather buddy-buddy...would love to read more from BL about secondments between legions with cold or strained relations IF and IW UM and AL (this would be funny) SW and WS etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4584973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slitth Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Obviously the Vth and XVIth were rather buddy-buddy...would love to read more from BL about secondments between legions with cold or strained relations This could be a really cool fan fic project. A collection short stories about secondment, with both good and bad results Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4585627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkaira Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 ^That should be done as Yaoi style :) Imagine two fellow super humans washing each others back after a bloody battle... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4585642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slitth Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 ^That should be done as Yaoi style Imagine two fellow super humans washing each others back after a bloody battle... I think you found the reason why the 2nd and 11th legion was expunged from all known Imperial records and archives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4585652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyD4rkPassenger Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sigismund get seconded to the World Eaters? I believe that's where he learned of chaining weapons to wrists, which his Templars adopted as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4586113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 He and Amit partook in the pitfights Amit and Kargos Argel Tal and Khârn Sig and Delvarus Not sure that's the same as seconding...perhaps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4586155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Well the Death Guard and Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus have always had a close relationship. Doesn't change the point, other Legions would (and did) do the same thing. Obviously you're not going to see Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors exchange brothers on a 'get to know each other' kind of basis. Well yeah, there are some Legions that were closer than others. Just would assume there would be Secondment or close dealings in general. And I could see the IVth and VIIth having a relationship earlier in the Great Crusade. I believe before Perturabo was found they were more chummy, yes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4586172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Well the Death Guard and Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus have always had a close relationship. Doesn't change the point, other Legions would (and did) do the same thing. Obviously you're not going to see Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors exchange brothers on a 'get to know each other' kind of basis. I dunno, you did have a TS captain on secondment with the SW. Only for a year and it seems to have been disagreeable for all involved but I could see Dorn or another IF senior officer dutifully going along with the idea and an IF exchange student having a very unpleasant time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4586280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Yeah...the TSon secondment to the SW kinda dispells the notion that secondment was based on friendly relations The program might've been mandatory with arbitrary rules I think the whole idea was to foster some understanding between disparate legions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4586293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 A regular Imperial Fist and Iron Warrior getting along might detract from the epic bromance of Pollux and Dantioch, anyhow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328456-legion-secondment/#findComment-4586300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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