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[Bloodwraith]

Redacted and merged with another chapter

[Olis]

For reference, HERE'S the thread Bloodwraith posted as the precursor to this IA. Those of you who wish to object or critique on the grounds of logistics regarding recruiting blanks, then be advised that it has already been discussed there. 

[Brother Casman]

(Psst! May I suggest using a text colour other than white? It can't be read/seen on the default mobile version of the site.)

[Bloodwraith]

@Brother Caman as requested.

[Arkangilos]

Some things off the top of my head: blanks don't "project" or control their abilities. Their abilities come simply from the "lack" of a soul, from the gene itself. Imagine it as a black hole instead of a soul. When there are a lot the hole gets larger and more powerful, but it isn't a controllable element.

 

I seriously doubt that they would turn blanks that cannot reproduce into servitors. They are such a rare breed they would likely pass them off into other organizations. They would more likely turn the failed breeds into servitors (those born with a soul).

[Bloodwraith]

@Arkangilos noted, agree and has been changed, instead of project, they learn to control the intensity of the aura they create.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Good job thus far. I advise changing the conclave's descriptor from "rogue" to "secret" or "hidden"- the term "rogue" suggests these Inquisition and Adeptus Mechanicus elements must be destroyed for the Imperium's good, as the delusion "I must destroy the Imperium in order to save it!" frequently strikes them (see the Soul Drinkers).

[Bloodwraith]

@Bjorn Firewalker noted and changed, thank you.

[Arkangilos]

That still didn't change it. My point is that they cannot control their blankness. They can't go, "let's make it stronger!"

 

Blank is the ABSENCE of, the LACK of something. You cannot take more away from nothing. It isn't some controllable thing.

To put it more scientifically, being a blank is like being at absolute zero.

[Arkangilos]

Other than that right now the only other thing I see is that they are used as attack dogs to fight other renegade chapters. I feel that that's a bad idea. Their benefit is greatly reduced when fighting mundane heretics. Personally, I think if you go that route you should specify that it would be chapters that have too much influence with the warp, or heavily possessed war bands.

 

 

Other things to spice this up! I would personally like to see more of the character of the chapter itself. How do they feel? What do they value? What are their moral standards? Stuff like that!

 

One more p.s. (Also, the reason I double posted, editing seems to take ages to load right now?)

 

Another good enemy would be eldar. Don't forget this chapter could have also been made to combat other threats that no one remembers anymore. Maybe a race that the chapter helped eradicate that were warp based?

[Bloodwraith]

@ Arkangilos: The deacons are full blown anti-pyschers and little is know about pariahs and what they can do.  I no it is not official but I took the basic principle for them from http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Blank_(Psychic)  so I am taking a little creative engineering/license with them on this.  The rest of the Chapter are low grade based on the rating system i got from http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment here, I know neither is cannon but since there is not a lot out there I will work off this for now.  

 

Agreed, I intend to develop the chapters personality and that will follow in amendments and additions.

 

I also agree with you on the renegade issue I actually added that at my sons recommendation but I really want these guys to focus on what gives them an advantage, fighting supernatural and psykers.  Perhaps they specialize in the eradication of daemon cults, and heavily chaos influence chapters.  They will however have a natural enemy in the Eldar since in cannon the Eldar seek to eradicate any human blank they come across, I have not found out why this is but just citations of them hating human blanks.  It is late here so I will make more edits tomorrow.

[Arkangilos]

 

Well I didn't mean to say renegades were bad, I was more meaning that you should flesh out the kind of renegades they hunt (which you just did).

 

Anyways, I just want to make it clear, I'm not against this as an idea per se. I'm just trying to explain why it's a harder to believe idea (but offered ideas that, to me, make the most sense and add to the believability).

 

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Burning%20of%20Prospero%20Imperial%20Datasheets.pdf

 

This, and the Lexicanum, is where I am getting the "soulless" aspects.

 

Also, I imagine they hate blanks the way they do because they are soulless abominations, which is about the same thinking everyone attuned to the warp feel about them. Eldar are very attuned, and souls matter a lot to them considering theirs gets eaten all the time

[Bloodwraith]

Edits have been made.

[Doctor Perils]

For the blanks, I think it has been made a bit ambiguous by Games Workshop and Black Library, if unintentionally. I know that there is some kind of "Pariah" inhibitor in the Ravenor series by Abnett, which, while an exterior device to control this "ability", still shows that the "ability" can be controlled to some extent - and I don't think that it is creating a new soul when it is turned on...

 

I can't remember too much about the Eisenhorn series (shame on me!!!), but doesn't Bequin create some kind of school for the Pariahs too?

[Bloodwraith]

I have not read the Eisenhorn series, honestly I have not read many of the books in 20 plus years, I do intend to read the HH series and did real the Soul drinkers series....last two of that wells disappointed me and I will leave it at that. I will have to take a look at Eisenhorn.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I thought some changes were necessary to make this idea fit into the preexisting story setting, and avoid contradictions. My proposed changes are highlighted by the "[" and "]" symbols.

 

Geneseed: Imperial Fists (Cadre come from the Executioners Chapter) Chapter is controlled by a [secret] conclave of the Ordo Malleus, ADMECH, [and Officio Assassinorum].

 

++Chapter Creation++

 

Upon the end of the Astropath War in 888.M32[,] [the Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes gathered a] disenfranchised group of Inquisitors from the Ordo Malleus and the leadership of the Forgeworld Sanson[.] [Frustrated with how] the fractured nature of the Inquisition[,] and the constant struggle for power and resources[,] [permitted] the rise of Daemonic and Heretical occurrences, [which weakened the Imperium from within, at the very moment the War of the Beast tested the Imperium's strength,] [the Captain-General encouraged the Inquisitors and Sanson's Tech-Priests to begin] developing concepts and  gathering resources to create their own arm for enforcing the Emperors will. The Inquisition had been tracking an increase in number and occurrence of untouchables, a disturbing mutation within the human genome which could even goes as far as to create pariahs. They as a whole had been struggling to censor the sheer number of these new untouchables[,] that an entire element of the Inquisition was dedicated to pacifying any large scale release of information or knowledge of these "soulless" beings in their midst[,] [denying the Culexus Temple of the Officio Assassinorum potential trainees, and in the disenfranchised Inquisitors' minds, destroying resources needed to combat the growing Daemonic threat]. [The approval of all twelve High Lords of Terra are necessary to found a new Chapter of Space Marines. The Captain-General gave his; the Grand Master of Assassins, remembering the disastrous consequences of the Beheading, reluctantly gave his, after conceding the new Chapter of Space Marines will be allowed to recruit from those rejected for service in the Culexus Temple; proxy votes for the approval of the other High Lords were obtained, legalizing this Founding but making the other High Lords suspicious of each other.] The ADMECH of Sanson saw an advantage in aligning with these Inquisitors[;] in exchange for resources and support[,] the Inquisitors agreed to turn over all new or rare technological findings to them.

 

Together the conclave discussed ways in which to weaponize these blanks and use them to their own benefit[,] much like [the] Sisters of Silence had been able to do. When this conclave decide that marines of this type would be invaluable as an entire force at their disposal[,] preparations were made to support its creation. [An] uninhabited but habitable world deep on the fringes of the Segmentum Obscuris named  +++DELETED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS+++ was selected to be where all studies and experiments were carried out.  The ADMECH faction set up suitable test and production facilities there[,] using the guise of it being a sanctioned ADMECH  seizure, officially declaring the planet under their jurisdiction for gathering and chronicling the potential lost technologies. [Hidden beneath the highly automated production facilities was a branch of the Culexus Temple; any noise made in the training of assassins, could be muffled by that of machinery.] The members of the Ordo [Malleus] [and Officio Assassinorum] started diverting small numbers of blanks, male and female[,] to this planet. This practice continues to this day. The blanks selected were then put through rigorous testing[,] where the ADMECH representatives and Inquisitors realized and categorized different power levels among the blanks based on their ability to affect both normal humans and psykers alike.

[The Nephilim]

Okay, so I read this, which I liked, and read the other debate thread. 

 

My question is this: What about cloning? Fabius Bile did it. The Dark Eldar do it. Why can't ADMECH with Inquisitorial support?

[Bloodwraith]

@Bjorn I like your take on the Culexus Temple, I have added that and made some of the grammatical and punctuation changes, but I will be leaving the High Lords and Captain General out, this is supposed to happen without their knowledge or approval as much of the actions of the 13th founding were for example.

@The Nephilim cloning dose still occur, I am using it, but normally it used for very rare and specific purposes, like maintaining the geneseed stockpiles ect.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I thought the support of the Grand Master of Assassins was necessary if your Chapter is to recruit blanks and pariahs. Otherwise, he'll ask, "Where are the pariahs that the Culexus Temple is supposed to turn into assassins?" and the Conclave's secrets will be secrets no more.

[Arkangilos]

Okay, so I read this, which I liked, and read the other debate thread.

 

My question is this: What about cloning? Fabius Bile did it. The Dark Eldar do it. Why can't ADMECH with Inquisitorial support?

Fabius does it with dark technology.

You can reasonably deduce that they cannot clone pariahs and blanks, because if they could they would already have an army and the SoS wouldn't be a small, elite force.

[The Nephilim]

 

Okay, so I read this, which I liked, and read the other debate thread.

 

My question is this: What about cloning? Fabius Bile did it. The Dark Eldar do it. Why can't ADMECH with Inquisitorial support?

Fabius does it with dark technology.

You can reasonably deduce that they cannot clone pariahs and blanks, because if they could they would already have an army and the SoS wouldn't be a small, elite force.

 

Good point. If it was easy and something mundane awesome things would be everywhere.

[Bloodwraith]

There are a few occasions in lore after the Dark Age of technology where cloning has been attempted, granted they all failed and one was Fabius Bile in disguise tricking a Blood Angel Apothecary Majoris Caecus but it has occurred....lol. I would not rule out minor successes with clones but there is nothing in lore. We know that ADMECH uses a form of cloning to maintain/incubate geneseed stocks of the space marines and there is A LOT we don't know about what goes on in the deep dark research labs of the mechanicus...bwahahahahahahahahahaha

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I presume the margin of error for cloning "superhumans"- psykers as well as blanks, not to mention Astartes like those in the Raven Guard- is far narrower than that for normal human beings- members of the Death Korps of Krieg being one successful example I know of from the official setting.

 

'Warhammer 40,000' is not the only setting to portray such difficulties. A character in 'Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II' claimed it was impossible to clone a Jedi or other Force user, and in the game, we see flawed clones stumble about like zombies as they attack the player character, seeking an end to their agony.

(Yes, I know the player character in 'The Force Unleashed II' is a clone, but he's the exception that proves the rule.)

 

[Bjorn Firewalker]

That still didn't change it. My point is that they cannot control their blankness. They can't go, "let's make it stronger!"

I think the Culexus assassins' Animus Speculum is a device specifically developed to strengthen a Pariah's negative presence in the Warp.

 

I wonder if the Hangmen's Deacons are allowed to use this device? (Again, the approval of the Grand Master of Assassins is needed.)

[Bloodwraith]

@Bjorn, I added the part of incorporating the Culexus Assassins yesterday to round out the issues.

Considering the mechanicus likely makes them...hmmm well lets just say it is not exactly the same device but there is significant design (STC) similarities. I am working on a few add on bits/stories, hope to have them up in the week.