BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I don't have my rules with me... thanks for your help as always !!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm fairly certain they cannot. I however am not as familiar with the rules as I once was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4590145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4590163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Oh nice ... nasty nasty for my Blood Angels !!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4590184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They won't arrive turn 1 because of Day of Revelation though, so that is one thing to remember. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4590404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 I love DoR having play tested it once using some of my 40k BA models. It takes so much time to paint each of my 30k BA models that I'll just be able to use them as an allied detachment for now but it's okay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4591073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Strangely however Characters on Jetbikes cannot Deep Strike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4597483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 How do you figure. Characters with jump packs can deep strike Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4597518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Strangely however Characters on Jetbikes cannot Deep Strike. The Jet Bike Unit Type (Along with Jump Pack Infantry and Jet Pack Infantry) have Deep Strike by default. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4597543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Jetbikes do not have Deep Strike by default according to the BRB. The entry for the Scimitar Jetbike in the AoD wargear section doesn't give all Scimitars Deep Strike either. The Sky Hunter unit has it, but this means Characters upgraded to have a jetbike will not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4598361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 What they said. I hope its just an oversight, I really want to field a Jetbike Praetor in an Orbital Assault list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4598564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 " The entry for the Scimitar Jetbike in the AoD wargear section doesn't give all Scimitars Deep Strike either." Which ones do get DS ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4604637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Spud Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 What they said. I hope its just an oversight, I really want to field a Jetbike Praetor in an Orbital Assault list. I'd suggest its an oversight as it is illogical for the same vehicle to be able to do something with one rider but not do it with a Praetor. I've always been involved with gaming groups which lean to logical conclusions when there is a lack of clarity with a rule such as this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4613715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 " The entry for the Scimitar Jetbike in the AoD wargear section doesn't give all Scimitars Deep Strike either." Which ones do get DS ? The actual datasheet for Skyhunters and Skyslayers have Deep Strike included. What they said. I hope its just an oversight, I really want to field a Jetbike Praetor in an Orbital Assault list. I'd suggest its an oversight as it is illogical for the same vehicle to be able to do something with one rider but not do it with a Praetor. I've always been involved with gaming groups which lean to logical conclusions when there is a lack of clarity with a rule such as this. Well... yes and no. No jetbikes other than the two 30k variants have DS in the whole 40k Rule set so I'm less inclined to just give it too a Character. However I feel like Orbital Assault needs some help outside WB and SoH since they have limited allied support and the only place to get your characters on the board are in veteran level units of Terminators currently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4614148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 If slips say so that's good enough for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4614566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I'd allow it doesn't make sense to give it to sky slayers and hunters but not ICs and command squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4615387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 You'd think, but rules are rules. These kind of inconsistencies occur all the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4615475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Just house rule it, if your friends play 30k it probably affects them too. If you play in an FLGS just ask your opponent. The people with a problem are probably going to find problem with something anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4616030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Eh, at a certain point you gotta decide to play with the rules given to you, rather than changing everything you dislike because "I don't like it and therefore it's probably not intended" and then malign anyone who disagrees as prone to finding problems. Let's not turn the game into a negotiation where you get to break certain rules and I get to break certain rules in exchange. It's childish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4616485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Eh, at a certain point you gotta decide to play with the rules given to you, rather than changing everything you dislike because "I don't like it and therefore it's probably not intended" and then malign anyone who disagrees as prone to finding problems. Let's not turn the game into a negotiation where you get to break certain rules and I get to break certain rules in exchange. It's childish. It's not childish in this case though. The other jetbike units can deepstrike so not allowing command squads to is just silly. Plus the BRB says to talk through inconsistencies with people and that the rules aren't the most important thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4616516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 It's true, but at some point it becomes bargaining. Command Squads are unique units, and you can never guess intent. They are the chosen warriors of the Legions, yet aren't allowed to take their unique equipment. This may well be a balancing measure. This is consistent across GW, like for example in 40K all my Alpha Legionnaire grunts remember how to infiltrate and even taught it to every ragtag human they could find, but the commanders forgot how to do it. At some point you just have to accept it. Not saying exactly this issue is where that line needs to be drawn, but I'd expect some kind of "house rule" to be made later on when I want to do something that isn't allowed by the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4616913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 imo 30k is not really a game intended for people who nitpick the rules... it is all about having some fun. That is one of the big things that drew me to it. I have not played any 40k since Adepticon last year . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4617511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Have to agree with Withershadow on this one. Otherwise it ends up getting very tit for tat and you end up far and away from your original destination. However in a closed hobby or gaming group I generally encourage people to make up their own minds based on their group. If your group has no knights, why not play 1 grenade per combat, if it has lots player everyone uses them so make it a little more difficult and encourage other options. But, again that is in your closed group which I imagine is where the majority of gamers actually play. At a organized event I generally advocate for SRAW or simplest rules as written. The easiest and best understood explaination of the rules as written. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4617606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 "However in a closed hobby or gaming group I generally encourage people to make up their own minds based on their group." This. Must always discuss with opponents first for consent. And yeah for a large event RAW is typically the best policy . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4617664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 And that's really all I'm saying. At some point you should just buck up and use what you have. House rules are file, but keep in mind they are just that. Don't be like some folks on this forum who have wild and crazy house rules that fundamentally change units and the game as a whole, and then stroll into tactica threads to argue with everyone about how "awesome their 2+ rerollablesave house ruled destroyers are" or whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328687-can-jetbikes-deep-strike/#findComment-4617683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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