foamy248 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I'm thinking of starting a small Blood Angels detachment to go with my larger Salamanders force. AFAIK this is legal rules wise (?), but I'm having trouble thinking of a decent reason for the two allying pre- to mid-heresy. Any ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 A joint expeditionary force pre-heresy seems the most feasible. The two would work well together and have many complementary skill sets. Salamanders are craftsmen the Angels are artisans. Sallies being from a high grav world would see them hold the line while the Angels would take to the skies and assault over them in a twist of the Hammer and Anvil tactic the Sallies favor. Both like heat based weaponry. Both primarchs have very noticeable mutations (Onyx skin and wings) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 They were allied pretty heresy, at the outbreak, they have no idea what is going on and can only trust one another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroclast91 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 further into the heresy you can always use the explanation that warp storms scattered part of one of legions fleets into the vicinity of the other that's how some blood angels are going to end up with my salamanders anyways Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 You could have them as part of Imperium Secondus- the Sallies would be survivors of Isstvan attached to a Blood Angels battleforce. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I am currently running IF as my primary detachment with BA as an allied detachment. My background is it's a siege force for the battle at Terra. It's lots of fun and painting other colors can be motivating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamy248 Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 A joint expeditionary force pre-heresy seems the most feasible. The two would work well together and have many complementary skill sets. Salamanders are craftsmen the Angels are artisans. Sallies being from a high grav world would see them hold the line while the Angels would take to the skies and assault over them in a twist of the Hammer and Anvil tactic the Sallies favor. Both like heat based weaponry. Both primarchs have very noticeable mutations (Onyx skin and wings) In terms of game-play, this is probably how they will function, with the more resilient Salamanders units holding the line (and thus acting as the anvil), and the Blood Angels deep striking in and acting as the hammer. Fluff-wise, this is probably where I'm leaning at the moment as well. EDIT: Xenith, Pyroclast91, Ikka, Black Orange - I like the idea of a semi-shattered force, but I do really want to use Vulkan at the moment, so it doesn't make much sense as he disappeared before the legions started breaking up. If I decided to not use the primarch, I may justify the force with this fluff, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroclast91 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 if you went that route it would also be the perfect opportunity to build Artellus Numeon and friends and perhaps even a crazy version of Vulkan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamy248 Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 if you went that route it would also be the perfect opportunity to build Artellus Numeon and friends and perhaps even a crazy version of Vulkan Tbh, that would be pretty cool; painting up a smashed-up, bloody version of Vulkan and converting some of the Salamanders characters in the BL books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroclast91 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I definitely considered it myself after reading Deathfire the Black Library sure makes it tough to stay on task when your reading through the heresy series I think I've come up with a plan for each of the legions and most of the main characters at some point or another Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Better than Deathfire, you have the journey of the Ebon Drake and the Salamanders who either joined its crew or stayed on Baal to defend it in case of Traitor attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroclast91 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 which book was this ? I don't believe I've read it and must correct this asap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 HH6: Retribution. It's an absolutely wonderful story about a group of Salamanders trying to journey from Nocturne to Istvaan, in search of information regarding Vulkan. To say it's better than Deathfire is a gross understatement. The story's called, "Upon the Anvil of War." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroclast91 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 color me intrigued I'll be looking into that for sure thank you brother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Just to add to that, read P24 in HH: Retribution, it details a Firedrake Legionary who stayed on Baal to join their defence forces - the Blood Angels, with so few of their own Astartes left, basically organised whatever forces they could under the overall command of a BA company. They're called the Baal Auxiliary Defence Force, and are divided up into Provisional Battalions. The Blood Angels, much reduced in number with the departure of Sanguinius and the bulk of the Legion, were quick to press these ragged stragglers into service against any Traitor assault on Baal. In total the Seneschal of Baal commissioned eight provisional battalions, a force of almost 8,000 Legiones Astartes warriors, for the defence of Baal. The t1' Battalion, of which Legionary Dre'Haan was a member, was typical of these formations, consisting of a mixed company of Salamanders and Iron Hands cataphractii, a line company of Salamanders infantry, a demi-company of Raven Guard reconnaissance units and a single company of Blood Angels assigned as custodians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4593408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroclast91 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 you guys are making it almost impossible to resist FWs prices Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4594509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cryptix Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Do it. DDDDOOOO IIIITTTT. Your primarch demand you, do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328783-fluff-reasons-for-a-combined-ix-xviii-legion-force/#findComment-4594579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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