TempestBlade Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 "New relics and arcana for the adeptus mechicanus" might mean a decurion detachment for them that combines cult and skitarii (I'm wishing I know but it would be really easy to throw a core formation and reprint the formations from cult and skitarii. Boom instant combined admech). Why does 14 days seem so long away!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4607841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlson793 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 "New relics and arcana for the adeptus mechicanus" might mean a decurion detachment for them that combines cult and skitarii (I'm wishing I know but it would be really easy to throw a core formation and reprint the formations from cult and skitarii. Boom instant combined admech). Why does 14 days seem so long away!! Doubtful that's what it refers to. Most likely new artifacts for the Arcana Mechanicum (Cult Mechanicus) and Relics of Mars (Skitarii) lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4607856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 "New relics and arcana for the adeptus mechicanus" might mean a decurion detachment for them that combines cult and skitarii (I'm wishing I know but it would be really easy to throw a core formation and reprint the formations from cult and skitarii. Boom instant combined admech). Why does 14 days seem so long away!! no GW no... Dono yamate. of ALLL the things to do a decurion detachment would piss me off the most Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4607857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 @Tiger : everyone is getting a decurion detachment. Look at all the new books (minus admech books) and every one has a decurion in it. From deathwatch, genestealer cult,traitors legion, black crusade/angels blade: all have decurion. It's the way the game is heading in my mind. Plus it might add some new list choices. I make a skitarii or cult list and they are all the same since there is only 7 units for skitarii and 6 for cult. Just my 2 cents I could be wrong. The good news is there is alway a CAD or cult and skitarii own detachment (can't think of the names right now) so if you don't want formations you don't need them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4607879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 @Tiger : everyone is getting a decurion detachment. Look at all the new books (minus admech books) and every one has a decurion in it. From deathwatch, genestealer cult,traitors legion, black crusade/angels blade: all have decurion. It's the way the game is heading in my mind. Plus it might add some new list choices. I make a skitarii or cult list and they are all the same since there is only 7 units for skitarii and 6 for cult. Just my 2 cents I could be wrong. The good news is there is alway a CAD or cult and skitarii own detachment (can't think of the names right now) so if you don't want formations you don't need them. I know, but I never liked that direction I feel it just takes away the freedom to build your own list with whatever the heck you want. I just miss the short amount of time where they had things like the flesh tearer detachment or the Dark Eldar detachment or the Space wolf ones. They all had awesome special rules and allow you to build any detachment you wanted, and while some allowed for cheesing I think it was great for diverse armies. I only fear they will get rid of the CADs from skitarii and cult. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4607885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlson793 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I make a skitarii or cult list and they are all the same since there is only 7 units for skitarii and 6 for cult. Make that "...9 units for skitarii and 19 for cult." Skitarii can take Secutarii Hoplites and Peltasts; Cult Mechanicus can take the two Ordinatus Engines and eleven of the thirteen Knights* when run in a standard CAD.  *no 40K Acastus or Styrix at this time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4607899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Unfortunately my group isn't big on forgeworld. The knights though yes I forgot about those so another 5 choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4607917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Decisions don't limit what you can field, they actually typically let you field stuff that isn't possible with a CAD or equivalent, which I really doubt they would ever do away with. Â The problem is with the really skewed benefits. Â What I think they should do is have CADs and their counterparts give bigger benefits, but be as restrictive as they have always been, but then have formations let you bring extra elites (or whatever it is you need more of) with less bonuses. Â Or find a better way to balance formations, because some just plain suck compared to others. Â I think adding a decurion to AdMech could fix a lot of our problems without having to make new models, too (like say that skitarii troops can run and fire in the same turn, not as good as having transports but it would help us a lot). Â Stuff like that could make for a nice stopgap until we do get new goodies. Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Decisions don't limit what you can field, they actually typically let you field stuff that isn't possible with a CAD or equivalent, which I really doubt they would ever do away with. Â The problem is with the really skewed benefits. Â What I think they should do is have CADs and their counterparts give bigger benefits, but be as restrictive as they have always been, but then have formations let you bring extra elites (or whatever it is you need more of) with less bonuses. Â Or find a better way to balance formations, because some just plain suck compared to others. Â I think adding a decurion to AdMech could fix a lot of our problems without having to make new models, too (like say that skitarii troops can run and fire in the same turn, not as good as having transports but it would help us a lot). Â Stuff like that could make for a nice stopgap until we do get new goodies. Â Â I like Formations certainly, as I run the Cohort Cybernetica almost constantly in my 40k games... but I don't think the entire army should just be formations. Sprinkle it in to add flavor, like grabbing the armored assault formation and adding it to a CAD with scouts and other tanks, but when you make it the main detachment then it becomes the norm, and then less flavorful. I just have a problem when decurions are so powerful you ask "What's the point of playing Army X Without them?" and thus everyone starts bringing the same thing. GW has gotten a bit better when it comes to having different decurions for different chapters, but it's still the same base across the board with the demi-company. Â Plus there is no reason why they cannot add both in one book. One extra page to show the CAD next to the warlord traits with some rules. Maybe cut back on the modeling pictures just a bit for one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 You could say that about the war convocation, though. It's very rigid, but way more powerful than any other way to run AdMech. But that's not the only way people do run AdMech. I think if we got a decurion it would be weaker than the war convocation and could add flexibility. I don't think they're going to get rid of the specialized CADs, either, since there's been zero evidence of that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 You could say that about the war convocation, though. It's very rigid, but way more powerful than any other way to run AdMech. But that's not the only way people do run AdMech. I think if we got a decurion it would be weaker than the war convocation and could add flexibility. I don't think they're going to get rid of the specialized CADs, either, since there's been zero evidence of that. I do say the same about the war convocation and the Skitarii Maniple formation, actually. I dislike them both because it's just the same kind of army again and again with little variation. I'm just hoping that they don't get rid of the cad and give us a decurion that does the same thing, a-la the ork codex and imperial fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 really the main reason I want a combined admech book or detachment/decurion is to combine some rules. I haven't played cult but it seems hard to get 8 units on the table to get the max canticle benifit in a 1500 point game. What would fix that? Skitarii. Add a could units of rangers or vanguards and you can now get the full benifit. Plus it would make it easy for the opponent than saying "These guys get shrouded but not these guys and these guys get +3 BS but not these guys." Less bookkeeping and more playing. Maybe change the canticles to include some stat buffers like skitarii have now. Plus more diversity in lists. I know it sounds whiny or greedy but with the get started box and the battleforce box they are hinting at it pretty hard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 It's not whiny or greedy. .. why mechanicus was 2 books to begin with is silly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The reason I never finished my 40K AdMech was the idiocy of splitting between 2 books. My 30K version has no such issues and will be my focus for the start of 2017. Â I really hope the issue is addressed with the Cadia books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The reason I never finished my 40K AdMech was the idiocy of splitting between 2 books. My 30K version has no such issues and will be my focus for the start of 2017. Â I really hope the issue is addressed with the Cadia books. By then needing 3 books? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Â The reason I never finished my 40K AdMech was the idiocy of splitting between 2 books. My 30K version has no such issues and will be my focus for the start of 2017. Â I really hope the issue is addressed with the Cadia books. By then needing 3 books? Â Â 1 Red Book? :] Â Its one list, not 2 very distinct lists based on the old FoC, thats the distinction I guess I needed to make better. They broken 40K into 2 armies, I am more at peace with how FW feeds units out, its not comparable to the 40K FoC mess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah, I definitely think we will be better off with one codex, even if they don't give us any new models. Â We are super limited right now by detachments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Â Â Â The reason I never finished my 40K AdMech was the idiocy of splitting between 2 books. My 30K version has no such issues and will be my focus for the start of 2017. Â I really hope the issue is addressed with the Cadia books. By then needing 3 books? 1 Red Book? :] Â Its one list, not 2 very distinct lists based on the old FoC, thats the distinction I guess I needed to make better. They broken 40K into 2 armies, I am more at peace with how FW feeds units out, its not comparable to the 40K FoC mess. I was responding to your last line about fall of cadia addressing the separation of adeptus and cult mechanicus... if it does you would then need adeptus and cult books plus the fall of Cadia book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah most likely Fall of Caadia will just give us those extra things listed earlier, not consolidate all of our rules into one book. At least that's how every campaign before now has done it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah most likely Fall of Caadia will just give us those extra things listed earlier, not consolidate all of our rules into one book. At least that's how every campaign before now has done it. We can dream, bassWave! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Â Â Â The reason I never finished my 40K AdMech was the idiocy of splitting between 2 books. My 30K version has no such issues and will be my focus for the start of 2017. Â I really hope the issue is addressed with the Cadia books. By then needing 3 books? 1 Red Book? :] Â Its one list, not 2 very distinct lists based on the old FoC, thats the distinction I guess I needed to make better. They broken 40K into 2 armies, I am more at peace with how FW feeds units out, its not comparable to the 40K FoC mess. I was responding to your last line about fall of cadia addressing the separation of adeptus and cult mechanicus... if it does you would then need adeptus and cult books plus the fall of Cadia book. Â Â Oh I see. It wont address the rules being in 2 books you are right, but I'm hoping it makes a new FoC/Detachment/Army List that includes it all in one spot. Â It wasnt about the books to me, more about the single list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yes I hope so as well. A new detachment/formation that combines them would be nice. Hopefully it doesn't require you to have one of everything. Those formations are very transparent about there purpose to sell minis and it comes off as less than classy. I'd like to see something like a battle company. Have a core of staple units, then add auxilaries to taste. Â But, didn't someone mention that the one formation Cawl is in is not a pure admech force? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah, its with the other units in the box, apparently. Â Which is fine, he will make a glorious Archmagos Prime... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 He's still a faction: Cult Mech hq though so we could take him in battle congregations, cads, and even a war convocation, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4608864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I don't think the formations can take Cawl unless they say they can swap a tech priest dominus for Cawl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/4/#findComment-4609008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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