Canadian_F_H Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I don't think the formations can take Cawl unless they say they can swap a tech priest dominus for Cawl. Unless it says you can in the campaign book or cawl's rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Which cycles me back to a decurion detachment in the book. If not then there is a dominus in 3 formations and the CAD/battle congregation. I was thinking it would be cool if later on they had a skitarii hq or if you choose the warlord from the skitarii force then all admech in the detachment would use the doctrina imperatives and if you choose a dominus/Cawl then everyone use the canticles. That way it doesn't invalidate those rules but makes it an army wide boost. Lots of different play styles could come from it too. But that's just wishing I have nothing to back that up with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Well we know one of the four scenarios in the campaign is Cawl's own technoarchaelogical expedition forces Vs Orks from before he travels to Cadia. So he will have to be able to be used in either a pure Cult Mechanicus force or a Skitarri/Cult force before he travels to Cadia and joins the Super-friends team there. The big question will be whether he has Skitarii as well as Cult forces and how they deal with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 If he is faction: Cult Mech then he doesn't need a rule to be swapped for a dominus in CAD, Battle Congregation or War Convocation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Ahhh good point Tyriks. So just formations which are meh for the most part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Well, Â If he is faction: Cult Mech then he doesn't need a rule to be swapped for a dominus in CAD, Battle Congregation or War Convocation. Â That is correct, but if his main benefit is boosting AVs by giving them a 5++ the question is: Why would Ad Mech want him? Onagers have a 6++ to 4++ anyway, Dragoons have a 5+ cover save and the only AV left is the Ironstrider. Not realy worth it unless he has got some other tricks underneath his robe... Â Edit: And Knights, but they get a 4++ on one facing as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Actually, depending on interpretation of wording it seems that was a special canticle, and he'd already used another canticle that turn which may mean he gets to do 2 canticles per turn, some of which are unique to him.Oh and sure Knights have a great invuln on one facing... but having the other facings protected is really tempting!There's lots we still don't know about Cawl so we can't really judge his usefulness till we know more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Well, if the invul works in cc, dragoons and knights would benefit quite a bit. Again, I'm very curious as to what his canticles do. By the way, was it mentioned anywhere what unit type he is? That is going to be a big factor in how he is used. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 The video that showed his data slate had an HQ logo at the top. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I mean is he a MC? Is he just a t6 character? Does he have the independent character rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrés Pacheco Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I mean is he a MC? Is he just a t6 character? Does he have the independent character rule? From the photo of his rules, he's an IC. I think he's just Infantry (Character), but I can't be 100%. He's got FNP, with re-rolls as a Warlord Trait, and some other rule that looks maybe like a form of wound recovery, but it's really hard to make out.  He had two Canticles rules on that photo, Omnissiah and Archmagos. The only Archmagos Canticle you can see gives IWND as it's lowest form, with IWND plus extra stuff at higher strengths. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4609604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 If he can make all of my Furioso/ DC/ Rifleman Dreads into 5++ Contemptor-lites then that works for me.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 If he can make all of my Furioso/ DC/ Rifleman Dreads into 5++ Contemptor-lites then that works for me.... Â Aye he'd go nicely with the SW all dread army i want to add at some point (as this seems nice and fluffy thing for my iron wolves to have fighting alongside my newer admech). A load of blizzdreads with 3++/5++ charging up the table would be fun (although having to footslog them would still be a pain). Â 455 points rumour still seem A LOT, he would have to provide some serious serious buffs to warrant that. Even at T6 5W that is a silly amount of points. Â Are we sure the 455 isn't for the whole formation? (ie caul, celestine and the inquisitor?) Â Â Â I mean is he a MC? Is he just a t6 character? Does he have the independent character rule? From the photo of his rules, he's an IC. I think he's just Infantry (Character), but I can't be 100%. He's got FNP, with re-rolls as a Warlord Trait, and some other rule that looks maybe like a form of wound recovery, but it's really hard to make out. Â He had two Canticles rules on that photo, Omnissiah and Archmagos. The only Archmagos Canticle you can see gives IWND as it's lowest form, with IWND plus extra stuff at higher strengths. Â Â Im guessing they'll make him infantry (bulky or very bulky), although really, at that size, he should me a MC easily (his base looks the same size as an onager!) Â Wound recovery im guessing he has the same as a dominus (2+ wound recover if he forgoes a shooting attack...although maybe he doesnt have to forgo shooting) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Â Â Wound recovery im guessing he has the same as a dominus (2+ wound recover if he forgoes a shooting attack...although maybe he doesnt have to forgo shooting) Â Â He was mentioned as having a repair skull-array-thing, so this could well be one of his abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I suspect we'll need a full release revealed before we can do much with this information. In many ways, I'm guessing that much of the Fall of Cadia releases will be based around cross-faction armies, hence Cawl's vehicle-boosting abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Faeit has a post up by someone with the book. Apparently it has a combined Mechanicus army list!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Faeit has a post up by someone with the book. Apparently it has a combined Mechanicus army list!! YAAAY. Oh today is a happy day for the admech with the FW info  and this! Join me brothers in singing a canticle!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtdWHFwmd2o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanicus Tech-Support Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Faeit has a post up by someone with the book. Apparently it has a combined Mechanicus army list!!  Well this has pretty much become a must buy, though I am tempted to wait a little bit longer and see if they release a combined codex that is not also a campaign book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlson793 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Faeit has a post up by someone with the book. Apparently it has a combined Mechanicus army list!! Based on the way it's worded in the Spanish report Faeit links to, it sounds more like we're getting another Formation/Detachment, not a combined army list. Think War Convocation level. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 It could potentially be a whole lot more flexible than war convocation. It depends on how they take it. It could still be a decurion too, as I don't think we've seen a "there's X formations in this book" preview. Â I hope it more than just those two though.... that's pretty light on content. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 PerhaPs it's a pair of decurions... one combining knight ad and cult mech formations, and another decurion combining imperial guard sob and space marine formations... apparently wit some way of includi ng crusader squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4610845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 A less rigid version of the War Convocation sounds like a great thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4611248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I don't think it's a full army list, as this isn't something like Wrath of Magnus etc. Â But it seems to be a formation (that is probably Decurion level) that includes Cult, Skits & Knights. Â Also - Cawl grants canticles to friendly units within 12".... No idea if it's just his or the main ones too but giving canticles buffs to marines and the like is baller. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4611471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Also - Cawl grants canticles to friendly units within 12".... No idea if it's just his or the main ones too but giving canticles buffs to marines and the like is baller. Â My understanding is that this bonus is only when playing the formation with Celestine and the Inquisitor, so the benefit might only be for Sororitas and Agent units you can take with them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4611489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Wasn't mentioned to be the formation rules in the leak I saw. Could be though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328955-new-campaign-including-ad-mech/page/5/#findComment-4611526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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