HH Book 42: Garro

[ZebraM]

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/hh-garro-weapon-of-fate-ebook.html

 

Incase anyone hasn't noticed, BL have released Garro as an ebook early.

[RedDragon]

A word of caution.

 

I just purchased the novel, but am suffering from an issue where it says the book isn't available to download until the 25/02/2017, so you may be better off waiting a while before buying it.

[caladancid]

Yeah me too. You can't actually download it.

[Taliesin]

Hmm that could mean 25-02 will be the release of the hardback.

 

Don't love this practice of e-book first releases at all. Fortunately not too prevalent yet, but not something I care for even incidentally.

[caladancid]

Yeah, the hardback is available of 25 Feb. You still cannot download the eBook right now though.

[Scribe]

Hmm, I've wanted something like this if only because I really have no clue what Garro means to the wider narrative.

[ZebraM]

Seems like it's finally up for download.

[MasterofMankind]

Seems like our resident editor has let this slip by

 

"For the first time, Rubio saw something like surprise on Khorarinn’s face. The riders of the White Scars had always been one of the Emperor’s most devoted and loyal Legions, and His son Jaghatai Khan had never once shown anything but unswerving allegiance, in his own unpredictable fashion"

 

This directly conflates with Scars and other, later novels.

 

Laurie, less #£%&posting and more editing ;P

[pompeyladbfp]

to be fair only the scars know about the revels and about him almost siding after learning about Prospero..

[MasterofMankind]

Yes, but in vengeful spirit Emperor tells Malcador to keep a close eye on Jaghatai, and nearly everybody expects him to go traitor. Most devoted and loyal legion they are not (in the eyes of the Imperium)

[Augustus]

So was Horus. So was Lorgar. So was Fulgrim. Loyalty means Jack-poo.

[MasterofMankind]

Not my point. It says they're considered the one of the most loyal and devoted legions (which was most likely canon when this audio originally came out). But with new novels, editing should have caught this one.

[b1soul]

Khorannin...so the Custodes from Sword of Truth

 

If he isn't one of those among the Ten Thousand especially close to the Emp like Valdor or Ra, his information about the Khan or the Vth may not be completely accurate

[Jareddm]

Can we stop taking the opinions of characters who clearly don't know the objective truth of the setting as the objective truth of the setting? This includes Primarchs, Custodes, Daemons, Xenos and pretty much everyone who's not Malcador.

[HeritorA]

Seems like our resident editor has let this slip by

 

"For the first time, Rubio saw something like surprise on Khorarinn’s face. The riders of the White Scars had always been one of the Emperor’s most devoted and loyal Legions, and His son Jaghatai Khan had never once shown anything but unswerving allegiance, in his own unpredictable fashion"

 

This directly conflates with Scars and other, later novels.

 

Laurie, less #£%&posting and more editing ;P

True. Laurie - we already miss you :)

 

So was Horus. So was Lorgar. So was Fulgrim. Loyalty means Jack-poo.

Tell that to Russ or Lion or Sangy or Dorn ;)

 

 

 

As for the book - yes book was reharshed to be more like a novel instead of anthology of shorts. But it failed in that. It is still read as a part of collection, all the 'new' stuff - like 12 pages of new text, which is simply a ligament to consolidate the story.

You could like it - if you haven't read everything Garro related before. If you did - there is 'almost' nothing new for you!

[Roomsky]

Gotta back up MasterofMankind here. Scars beat us over the head with how nobody trusted the Vth, and assumed they would side with Horus. And while the Custodian had his comically over-the-top personal bias, the line about their loyalty didn't even come out of his mouth. Its not even a matter of a character having a different opinion, its like saying the Alpha Legion has always been trustworthy, even before the heresy it would have been weird.

[HeritorA]

Gotta back up MasterofMankind here. Scars beat us over the head with how nobody trusted the Vth, and assumed they would side with Horus. And while the Custodian had his comically over-the-top personal bias, the line about their loyalty didn't even come out of his mouth. Its not even a matter of a character having a different opinion, its like saying the Alpha Legion has always been trustworthy, even before the heresy it would have been weird.

'its like saying the Alpha Legion has always been trustworthy' - ahem, they were. To Emperor, humanity and it's own operatives :)

[Marshal Rohr]

Any spoilers? Still trying to make up my mind. I can barely get through a few chapters of Path of Heaven at a time, and I've now reread MoM twice in the same span :D

[Apothecary Vaddon]

I mean, you basically have the spoilers if you listened to the audiobooks. 

Yes, yes, I know - there's more in the novel than just those - but that's the overarching story, for the most part.

[Scribe]

Yeah but who's got time for audio...i hate that format.

[Marshal Rohr]

Not to sound like a :cuss, but I can read faster than an audiobook can play a whole story. Text is a faster format for me than audio.

[Apothecary Vaddon]

Not that I'm advocating for audiobooks, just pointing out that the year(s) old material already out there is what the meat of this book is. I will say that IIRC the Garro audiobooks rarely took over like 30-40 min, and a lot of them were quite a bit smaller. 

[LaurieJGoulding]

Seems like our resident editor has let this slip by

 

"For the first time, Rubio saw something like surprise on Khorarinn’s face. The riders of the White Scars had always been one of the Emperor’s most devoted and loyal Legions, and His son Jaghatai Khan had never once shown anything but unswerving allegiance, in his own unpredictable fashion"

 

This directly conflates with Scars and other, later novels.

 

Laurie, less #£%&posting and more editing ;P

 

Disagree completely. This *is* the line as edited, and Jim and I worked very carefully on the wording.

 

I think this highlights a problem in the fiction, as has been hinted at already in this thread by others - there is nuance, there is subjectivity, and there is most definitely personas bias in the characters' POVs... and a large portion of the fanbase just want facts and soundbites that they can use to score points off each other. The key part of this line, which we added in, was "in his own unpredictable fashion". I can't help you if you can't see how that works, and what it implies.

 

Persuade me that you are right, then - give me a cited quote from anywhere in the canon where the Emperor or the Khan confirms that he was ever disloyal? From there we could maybe start to pick apart Khorarinn's subjectivity in the matter, if you've got nothing better to do.

 

Of course, TRUE fans would notice that this line was added in for the novelisation, after the audio script was already recorded, published and sold for four years.

 

For the first time, Rubio saw something like surprise on Khorarinn’s face. The riders of the White Scars had always been one of the Emperor’s most devoted and loyal Legions, and his son Jaghatai Khan had never once shown anything but unswerving allegiance.

 

VARREN: We are all equally loyal. We would not be here if that was a lie.

 

Is Varren a traitor too? [mic drop]

 

Don't talk to me about rock and roll. I AM rock and roll.

[LaurieJGoulding]

(Also, pretty sure you didn't mean "conflate". But I charge 25 quid an hour for freelance editing.)

[LaurieJGoulding]

I will say that IIRC the Garro audiobooks rarely took over like 30-40 min, and a lot of them were quite a bit smaller. 

 

You recall incorrectly. The standard length of a BL audio drama CD is approximately 70 minutes, which is about 10,000 words on paper.

 

'Oath of Moment' and 'Legion of One' were approximately 70 minutes each. 'Sword of Truth' and 'Shield of Lies' were approximately 140 minutes each.

'Burden of Duty' was 5,000 words, so approximately 35 minutes. 'Ashes of Fealty' was something like 3,000 words, which I imagine places it around 20 minutes in length.

 

So... ONE of them was shorter than 30 minutes, and ONE was right in the ballpark you suggested.

FOUR were considerably longer, even double or quadruple that length.

 

As a percentage of total running time? I make that a grand total of 4% of Garro's audio adventures weighing in at "quite a bit smaller" than 30-40 minutes, and another 7% was right on the money. Everything else was CONSIDERABLY longer.

 

(68,000 words on paper, plus 35,000 for 'Vow of Faith', plus approximately 20,000 words of new content - 'Garro' is actually one of the bulkier HH main range novels.)