So, Pharos

[Scribe]

A decent enough book, but I didnt really get much out of it in contrast to PoH and MoM.

 

I liked the characters and interactions between them. The Scout Sergeant and his interactions with the Squad, the human elements, the Ultra's.

 

I didnt much like Rob, but the Sangy/Haunter scene I felt was the best of the book, and I felt the Night Lords portrayal was well done.

 

 

 

Doesnt seem the Pharos is totally broken, just mostly broken, still could be a path for the BA to punch through to Terra.

 

 

 

I tried to see if there was a thread on this that I missed, but my search-fu is weak.

 

This did push me towards my Legion choice for the New Year though... :]

[Roomsky]

I agree that it was good, but not fantastic, though compared to the strongest entries of this year, that might be a little unfair. My favourite part was definitely seeing a Nightlord invasion from a civilian perspective, probably the last legion you want coming to bring you to compliance.

 

It also brought my line of the year:

 

 

"i'll just be over here should you need me, slowly dying."

 

[b1soul]

but the Sangy/Haunter scene I felt was the best of the book

What was really good about it?

 

I thought the weakest aspect of Pharos was its bland portrayal of Sang

 

He's just your all-around niceguy primarch...utterly boring

[bluntblade]

MoM has me with crossed fingers and toes that AD-B tackles them at the Siege

[Scribe]

 

but the Sangy/Haunter scene I felt was the best of the book

What was really good about it?

 

I thought the weakest aspect of Pharos was its bland portrayal of Sang

 

He's just your all-around niceguy primarch...utterly boring

 

 

I like it when the books ask us to question the setting.

 

While its not a question that we have not been posed before, its just what I go for.

 

How could the Night Lords, and Haunter, have been anything but what they are, when it certainly would appear that they are what the Emperor intended them to be.

 

And if that they are as intended, well...what does that say about the Emperor, the Great Crusade, and the Enlightenment of man?

 

The rest of the book didnt really ask us anything like that, didnt give me reason to think upon it too much. Like the source of the Pharos and the end of the book where not surprises, we knew that stuff already was going on.

 

 

 

Necron and Nids

 

 

 

That kind of stuff between Primarchs while it could be a throw away, is just what I go for I guess. :]

[b1soul]

MoM has me with crossed fingers and toes that AD-B tackles them at the Siege

You mean ADB does the BA? I hope so

 

I was not impressed by Haley's Sang or BA (Swallow was even worse)

 

Sang should not just be the bleeding heart, niceguy primarch. He should be the closest thing to Horus the loyalists have

[bluntblade]

Lorgar's description of Sang is the one I want, I think. Also, that consumptive aspect Zephon has (funny to see that description applied to a male character for once; normally it seems to be deployed as a means to gradually kill off a female character whilst keeping her attractive).

 

The idea of certain Legions being viewed as necessary evils to some extent by their creator is one that's really interested me, lately.

[Scribe]

I think he's the flip side of Curze though. He's the ever hopeful. The one who with his Legion represents the spirit of hope, the passion of humanity.

 

The BA have always been famous for their beauty, they appear as carved statues, the 'perfect form' of man.

 

I dont think he is the Loyalist Horus, or that he was ever intended to be.

[b1soul]

I think he's the flip side of Curze though. He's the ever hopeful. The one who with his Legion represents the spirit of hope, the passion of humanity.

 

The BA have always been famous for their beauty, they appear as carved statues, the 'perfect form' of man.

Red Thirst is one of the most severe legion flaws

 

Sang knows this and he knows people see him as an angel because they are unaware of his flaw.

 

His legion has guys like Amit and Sang is actually Khorne's first pick.

 

I don't think Sang is just about hope and birds and butterflies.

 

I dont think he is the Loyalist Horus, or that he was ever intended to be.

What do you mean?

 

Other than Horus, Sang is the primarch most looked up to by other primarchs and also mortals.

 

Horus thinks Sang should have been Warmaster.

 

If Horus is Lucifer, Sang is like the Archangel Michael (but with a hidden flaw).

[Scribe]

I just think they fit into different tropes, and the Curze angle offers a better contrast. Yeah we have Amit, and yeah Khorne was after him (first pick though? Is that an invention of the series?) flaw aside, superficially he best fits the tropes of a hopefulness, while Curze obviously is nihilism, and the darker side of fate.

[Midgard]

I think Curze's role in the series is to be a dark mirror in which all other Primarchs look and see a twisted version of themselves. Corax seems to be constantly mulling over the idea that had things been a little different, he would have been in Curze's place. Sanguinius has the entire foreknowledge aspect that he shares with Curze. The Lion practically obsesses with Curze in a way that only someone who sees a lot of himself in the monster can. In a way, Curze is not an antithesis to any single other Primarch, but an amalgam of all of their darker sides, or, perhaps, someone who brings out the worst side in them (which, ironically, goes hand in hand with the concept of him and the Night Lords as being adept psychological warfare combatants; this is a psychological warfare tactic for all it's worth).

[HeritorA]

 

MoM has me with crossed fingers and toes that AD-B tackles them at the Siege

You mean ADB does the BA? I hope so

 

I was not impressed by Haley's Sang or BA (Swallow was even worse)

 

Sang should not just be the bleeding heart, niceguy primarch. He should be the closest thing to Horus the loyalists have

 

To be fair b1soul I wasn't impressed with Zephon in MoM at all. The best authors for the Blood Angels are David Annandale and John French I think

[DarkChaplain]

Gotta echo that. I liked the idea of Zephon, and he still looks like an interesting character to me, but his role in the book was very underwhelming looking at it. His special circumstances of having trouble with augmentations defined him more than his Legion. I expected more after all the high praise he got.

 

I also liked Annandale's Mephiston story Eclipse of Hope. Haven't read the novella or Lemartes yet, though.

[HeritorA]

Gotta echo that. I liked the idea of Zephon, and he still looks like an interesting character to me, but his role in the book was very underwhelming looking at it. His special circumstances of having trouble with augmentations defined him more than his Legion. I expected more after all the high praise he got.

 

I also liked Annandale's Mephiston story Eclipse of Hope. Haven't read the novella or Lemartes yet, though.

Mephiston eclipse was good. Sadly was totally disappointed with Lemartes

[Kelborn]

Gotta echo that. I liked the idea of Zephon, and he still looks like an interesting character to me, but his role in the book was very underwhelming looking at it. His special circumstances of having trouble with augmentations defined him more than his Legion. I expected more after all the high praise he got.

 

I also liked Annandale's Mephiston story Eclipse of Hope. Haven't read the novella or Lemartes yet, though.

Ok that was the fourth or fifth time that you agree with Heri. For 2017: you have to drink a beer with him if you're on the same convention / Day. ;)

[HeritorA]

Gotta echo that. I liked the idea of Zephon, and he still looks like an interesting character to me, but his role in the book was very underwhelming looking at it. His special circumstances of having trouble with augmentations defined him more than his Legion. I expected more after all the high praise he got.

I also liked Annandale's Mephiston story Eclipse of Hope. Haven't read the novella or Lemartes yet, though.

Ok that was the fourth or fifth time that you agree with Heri. For 2017: you have to drink a beer with him if you're on the same convention / Day.

At Horus Heresy Weekender if DC will attend it

[DarkChaplain]

Not in the foreseeable future, I'm afraid. 2017 will be pretty adventurous as it is for me. So much so, actually, that I doubt I'll be able to keep up with reading as much as this year. I'll have to frontload a lot of stuff until late april due to that.

Still, I wouldn't say no to a beer if I can manage to make the trip at some point.

[HeritorA]

Not in the foreseeable future, I'm afraid. 2017 will be pretty adventurous as it is for me. So much so, actually, that I doubt I'll be able to keep up with reading as much as this year. I'll have to frontload a lot of stuff until late april due to that.

Still, I wouldn't say no to a beer if I can manage to make the trip at some point.

Awesome After the combat podcast with Kenny - we need to meet for the 'reviews club' session

[Kelborn]

*bow*

Always pleasure to bring people together and fill the air with love. :P

[Prot]

I think Curze's role in the series is to be a dark mirror in which all other Primarchs look and see a twisted version of themselves. Corax seems to be constantly mulling over the idea that had things been a little different, he would have been in Curze's place. Sanguinius has the entire foreknowledge aspect that he shares with Curze. The Lion practically obsesses with Curze in a way that only someone who sees a lot of himself in the monster can. In a way, Curze is not an antithesis to any single other Primarch, but an amalgam of all of their darker sides, or, perhaps, someone who brings out the worst side in them (which, ironically, goes hand in hand with the concept of him and the Night Lords as being adept psychological warfare combatants; this is a psychological warfare tactic for all it's worth).

 

It's been a while since I read the novel but I actually really liked it as a side story. I like your take on Curze... he is a mirror reflection and this book shows perhaps the worst case scenario for the marines as well. 

 

I could not believe how the Night Lords treat each other... kind of like watching my family devour the Christmas turkey dinner.... every man(woman) for themselves.

 

But the one line I thought Curze would stop at is how he disassociated himself from his Legion. They way he kind of just discards them and feels no attachment to them other than the obvious. That was kind of a eye opening moment to get that feeling from him of complete disdain for his own 'people'. 

[b1soul]

Was looking forward to a BA character in MoM...Zephon felt more like a cripple character than a BA character

[Scribe]

Was looking forward to a BA character in MoM...Zephon felt more like a cripple character than a BA character

 

The part with the Harp and the art that will never see the light of day added more to the BA than any book so far though. :p

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Was looking forward to a BA character in MoM...Zephon felt more like a cripple character than a BA character

 

Was looking forward to a BA character in MoM...Zephon felt more like a cripple character than a BA character

 

atleast he made it in. 

 

I guess Howl of the Hearthworld was edited out.

[b1soul]

Would've been cool if Kin to the Night, Thirteen Stars Falling etc. had made an appearance

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Would've been cool if Kin to the Night, Thirteen Stars Falling etc. had made an appearance

Agreed.

 

After their amazing introduction, I was almost frothing st the mouth for more of them