Commander_Boom Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Hi all. I've been working on a list for Imperial Fists. +++ If (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v42) (2495pts) +++ ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List v202) (2495pts) ++ + HQ (230pts) + Sigismund (230pts) + Elites (70pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (70pts) Legion Apothecary Additional Wargear [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] + Troops (1355pts) + Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (280pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen] Additional Wargear [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (270pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen] Additional Wargear [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Vexilla] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (270pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen] Additional Wargear [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Vexilla] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist] Templar Brethren (535pts) [7x Combat Shield, Land Raider Phobos, Legion Vexilla, 7x Templar Brethren] Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Heavy Support (840pts) + Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (465pts) [Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa] Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron (260pts) Legion Vindicator Tank [Laser Destroyer Array] Legion Vindicator Tank [Laser Destroyer Array] Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts) + Legion + Legiones Astartes [ VII: Imperial Fists, Loyalist] Rite of War [Pride of the Legion] + Force Organization + Force Organization Battles in the Age of Darkness [ Age of Darkness Primary Detachment] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) Pretty straight forward - Siggy, apoc and Templars go upfield in the Landraider, while the various artillery bombard the enemy. Vets advance behind the Templars, infront of the armour. Thoughts? Sanity check? First time posting a list online, tell me what I screwed up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 A potential issue is that with siggi you'll probably want to point him directly towards the toughest enemy unit/ character which will normally mean cracking 2+ armour- something Templar breatheren are not very good at. They also don't last long against the normal war gear that these units typically have; powerfists, chainfists as they'll only have the 5++. I find that legion terminators provide a better bodyguard unit. Give them vigil storm shields for a 3++ and provide a primus Medicae to buff the unit/ Sigusmund. You'll need to get a spartan though so I'm not sure if this is starting to move to far away from your list. If you want to keep the Templar brethren then a dreadclaw provides a cheaper but potentially more deadly delivery method at over half the points. I'd look to reinvest the points from third vet squad in ether the terminators/ Spartan combo I mentioned above or quad guns/ a lightning/ javelin speeders - something that offers you other options. I really like your heavy support selection! Just some suggestions to get the ideas/ feedback flowing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4604149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_Boom Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Wow! Thanks for the advice, fast and on point. I think your right about the Templar. Nothing is set in stone yet, so I'm happy to make changes. I like the idea of the Terminator / Sig / medic roadblock in the Spartan. It's hellishly expensive, but I get that they don't need to earn their point back solo - they just need to be big and scary enough to let the heavy support do the work. The thought occurred that I'm lacking in AA. I don't know my local meta well enough to tell if that'll actually be a problem, but I may have to find some points somewhere for a mortis or deredeo, or maybe flak rockets, probably in the place of the Scorpius. Thanks again for the prompt advice, much appreciated! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4604180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_Boom Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 I've revised the list with your advice in mind, here goes. +++ If (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v42) (2500pts) +++ ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List v202) (2500pts) ++ + HQ (385pts) + Legion Centurion (155pts) [solarite Power Gauntlet, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield] Consul Primus Medicae [support Officer] Sigismund (230pts) [Master of the Legion] + Troops (1405pts) + Legion Terminator Squad (865pts) [2x Chainfist, Legion Terminator Squad, 8x Legion Terminators, 4x Power Fist, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 2x Thunderhammer, 8x Vigil Pattern Storm Shield] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield] Legion Terminator Sergeant [Thunderhammer, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (270pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Veteran Tactical Squad, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen] Additional Wargear [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Vexilla] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist] Standard Wargear [bolt Pistols, Bolters, Chainswords/Combat Blades, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (270pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Veteran Tactical Squad, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen] Additional Wargear [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Vexilla] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist] Standard Wargear [bolt Pistols, Bolters, Chainswords/Combat Blades, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour] + Heavy Support (710pts) + Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts) [Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa] Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron (285pts) Legion Vindicator Tank [Laser Destroyer Array, Machine Spirit] Legion Vindicator Tank [Laser Destroyer Array] Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts) + Legion + Legiones Astartes [ VII: Imperial Fists, Loyalist] Rite of War [Pride of the Legion] + Force Organization + Force Organization [Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List] Battles in the Age of Darkness [ Age of Darkness Primary Detachment] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) In short, dropped one of the Medusa's, one of the vet squads, and swapped the Templars for the Termies and the Medicae. Tactics remain much the same, with Sigi in with the Termies and Medicae, while the vets stay back a little and try to protect the armour while it pounds the bad guys. Still very vulnerable to air, but also still not sure how much of a problem that'll actually be in my local meta. If needs be I'll have to drop something (probably the scorpius and/or a medusa) and get some AA. C&C appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4604880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I like! A note on Tartaros terminator armour and vigil pattern storm shields; since the latest FW FAQ and Legion red book that combo is illegal. You can either take it on cataphractii or pay more for standard (indominus) terminator armour. I go for cataphractii (but use other models) as i don't think the extra cost for the ability to run is worth it. That will save you some points - some of which need to go on a dozer blade for the Spartan! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4604986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 All these lists are illegal. Pride mandates more units with Legiones Astartes than anything else. You have 5 Astartes units and 6 others. Best way to fix this would be to drop one of the heavy support choices for jetbikes or a support squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4607605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofRedemption Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Withershadow is right. If you want to maintain the siege theme you could switch out a Medusa for 2 Quad Mortars with shatter shells and have a few points spare for upgrades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4608411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_Boom Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah. Thanks for pointing that out, sad though it makes me. I'd considered dropping something from my HS for Rapiers of some description, or for Apothecaries. I just really don't want to lose any of my Heavy Support.As such i'd thought instead about switching to Stone Gauntlet. I can drop the vets for a couple of 10-man Breachers squads, get t5 on the Termies, and keep all my HS. Problem being that I don't really want breachers, particularly footslogging. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4608492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofRedemption Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Another option would be trying to split your terminators into two 5 man squads (one of which deep strikes in, the other in the spartan), though you'd need to find a few points from somewhere Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329190-25k-imperial-fists-potl/#findComment-4608579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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