Frater Cornelius Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 We already know (more or less), who the best swordsmen are among the characters. But in broader terms, which Legion and/or company/group within a Legion would pass as having the best swordsmen (and melee weapon masters in general), according to fluff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 You could make a claim thst the Imperial Fists 1st co. can claim that title, but half of the legions had chapters/companies made up of chosen fighters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 NL make the best shankers. I'd say currently if we're throwing it out legion wise, it's a toss up between palatine blades and templar brethren as dedicated swordsmen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Depends on Style, weapon and technique. Going by stereotypes is never a good idea but if you were to say culturally, a fist with a broad sword was even in combat with a white scar and a katana like weapon. Now swap the weapons over or make it a broad sword or kata only fight. I'd lean towards the warrior armed with their weapon of choice/legionary up bringing. Not that I would bar them from still being a total nightmare of an opponent even with a weapon they don't favor/use that often. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Because you had to ask, it clearly not your legion :P ;) jk Definitely totally dark angels. You can just lock the thread now lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gud2bbad Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 World Eaters. They would shred every other legion's swordsmen to bits with bare hands They might need the swords as toothpicks afterwards Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNoMore Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Maybe not the obvious choice, but the White Scars have some pretty good swordsmen. However, every legion have their own top notch melee elites, with different fighting styles and choices of weapons. Impossible to say who's the best thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I don't know about specific groups within the legions (i.e. Palatine Blades vs. Templar Brethren) but for the legions in general I'd say Dark Angels. Their rules pretty much outright state that they are better swordsmen than the other legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Definitely the Emperor's Children. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Only one Legion has a rule specifically for skill with a sword. Emperor's Children just have a rule for fighting well in general, but the specific sword focus of the Dark Angels inclines me to believe they win this one hands down. There will be a spectrum of combat ability from individual legionary to legionary, but in general the Angels will take it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Dark Angels and Emperor Children when regarding swords feels like Long Sword and Rapier. My pick would the Long Sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I would have gone DA, EC, WS. Legions which would take blade work to an art vs just being effective (BA, WE, IF) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I would have gone DA, EC, WS. Legions which would take blade work to an art vs just being effective (BA, WE, IF) I would totally reverse it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 You would put WE as better Swordsmen (not Warriors, but technical ability with a blade) above EC or WS or DA? As a WE fan, I wouldnt at all. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Ugh, I misread - you got it right :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The fists and dark angels are the two legions that specialize in duelling swords. The scars use a curved cavalry sword and the ultramarines use a gladius which is designed to be used with a shield. The Emperors children specialize in using a spear, the world eaters and space wolves like axes the death guard like scythes the salamanders hammers the blood angels like two handed swords, the Raven guard like claws the alpha legion would rather knife you in the back the night lords have a type of chain bill and every other legion don't really care as long as you die. So realistically its beatwean the dark angels and fists and out of the two I would Say dark angels as outside the templars the fists focus more on siege craft. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 I would call the IF First Company a bit of an outlier though. This trend is not represented within the entire Legion. I have no idea about DA, but they seem to have more swords scattered around. Makes sense, given how they are a mix between between Arthurian and medieval knights. Since you mentioned spears though, I find it actually rather funny how underrepresented the most common weapon in historical warfare is in 40k and 30k. Not that Warhammer has a lot in common with history though :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Only the Fist first company is associated with swords. Everybody else seems to favor axes. Enough to include them on the legion seal. The Fists don't have the 'everybody is a swordsmen' mentality the way the Dark Angels do. The Emperor's Children are good with anything they practice with. The sword is associated heavily with Terra, and the Templars derive their roots from there, while the axe is a more utilitarian weapon that fits the nature of Inwit for all the same reasons it fits in with the Space Wolves. Similarly, the Dark Angels draw from Terra and Caliban where there are cultural affinities for the sword. The spear is under represented because it is the weapon of the untrained militias throughout history. It's meant to keep your opponent at a distance. The Romans were so effective because a block of shielded men with short stabbing swords, well trained and in formation could make easy work of farmers and shepherds drafted and given rudimentary training. A space marine has no need of a spear, which is why every spear you see them with isn't actually a spear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The Emperors Children in the fluff were more swordsmen than specialising in spears, they just happen to have spears as their specific weapon. Emperors Children, White Scars and Dark Angels would probably be the top three in general with swords, with very different styles, with others very close behind. Actually yeah, the EC were just about perfection with all weapons. There is a lot of stuff about them as swordsmen though, between things like Lucius and the Palatine Blades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Dark Angels would be my choice for top swordsmen, just look at their legion rules. The only buff they've comes from using blades in combat. I think it is fitting as they're the "knights in space". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Be very careful because these vague questions have no factual answers. Opinions start getting out of hand, and this thread will get the melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 As much as I would like to say the Imperial Fists It really is only the Templar Brethren who are swordsman. Id probably say The Dark Angels given their rules for fighting with swords and the fact that a couple pieces of their wargear are blades Emperors Children also spring to mind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I wouldn't call the Emperor's Children a legion of swordsmen since they practiced until they reached perfection with all and any weapons. Dark Angels however did focus on swords. Just like World Eaters (and possibily the War Hounds before them if Lhorke teaching Khârn to use axes extended beyond two space marines) were a legion of (chain)axemen, even if the Emperor's Children or Imperial Fists could give them a run for their money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I wouldn't call the Emperor's Children a legion of swordsmen since they practiced until they reached perfection with all and any weapons. Dark Angels however did focus on swords. Just like World Eaters (and possibily the War Hounds before them if Lhorke teaching Khârn to use axes extended beyond two space marines) were a legion of (chain)axemen, even if the Emperor's Children or Imperial Fists could give them a run for their money. Not entirely accurate on the World Eaters part leading up to the Khorne worship. Especially after the coming of Angron, The World Eaters used a very large variety of weapons in which they were proficient in using. Pit fights usually had (in the references I have found) a choice in weaponry and so many close combat weapons would be covered. The Dark Angels I would say would be your cover "swordsman" legion, with the Emperor's Children falling into the same field as the Blood Angles, Space Wolves and World Eaters (prior to the khornfest) as a "melee" legion posterboy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 If the legions were to put forward their best swordsmen in a fight or tournament, I could see the winner being amongst the following three chapters, each for their own reason and style: Dark Angels - Likely the most skilled and most balanced of the three, but likely the least flexible White Scars - The most unpredictable and underestimated, with skill enough to take advantage Emperor's Children - Likely the most precise in training and execution, the least likely to make a mistake Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329301-best-swordsmen-legion/#findComment-4607685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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