Ishagu Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 In 30k they have: Less Attacks, no deepstriking, no Eternal Warrior, no way to mix weapons, no awesome banner, no consistent AP2, no 3++, higher cost. The reduction in attacks is what kills them on top of everything. The Shield Master or whatever he's called in 40k could have 6 ap2 attacks on the charge. Also, in 30k there are plenty of quality assault units that would eat them up. Sons of Horus Justaerins, Death Guard Deathshroud, Ultramarines Suzerains, etc. Seems awfully weak, although there is a possibility to change the rules (they'll have to!) The Tanks are awesome, however, as are the Dreads. Can't wait for 40k rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4609906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I do not even mind the loadout inflexibility. It is the low amount of attacks that makes them highly inconsistent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4609910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Has anyone else tried a chaplain with spear custodes? Because I've gotten about 20 hits whenever I've used them Suzy's are pretty much the most annoying thing for them on that list Ish because of the defensive grenades Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4609924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I don't think people should put them down when Legion SPECIFIC VETERAN ASSAULT UNITS can beat them up cuz you know^^ It's not like basic tactical marines are taking them out to the cleaners. It's hogwash honestly. If they had AP2 out the bajangoes, you'd all complain about that too :P they do have sister of silence squads with consistent AP2 but are slightly squishier. I like that balance TBH, especially considering Custodes can still be taken down in the fluff by actual assault specialists (looking at you Gal Vorbak, Daemons, etc.). They're like Spartans...dang tough, but still mortal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4609925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Sisters don't have 30k rules. And the base, troop Custode squad with outdated rules is equivalent to most legion assault units... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4609933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 To me the 40k rules fit their background well. I have seen people complain that their transport might be an assault vehicle. Thinking back to The First Heretic where Gal Vorbak had to gang up to have a chance against them. In a way they are Demi Gods just under Primarchs. To me veteran squads should not be able to easily best them in melee. I hope that Inferno sets them back on course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4609968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 The Transport. Looks pretty good. Nice and bulky. Going to be so hard not to buy all this cool stuff. Those Contemptors. Gah!! Not sure I can survive that temptation.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 For some reason, there's a fellow at the club who absolutely insists on running te 30k version of them. I have no clue as to why either, do they have any major benefits from 40k? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 For some reason, there's a fellow at the club who absolutely insists on running te 30k version of them. I have no clue as to why either, do they have any major benefits from 40k? Yes, you need to buy that man a drink, because anyone running Custodes on the table in 40K outside of really particular scenarios needs to be tarred and feathered for fluff atrocities. Clearly he is playing a Webway detachment of 30K Custodes who took a wrong turn at Albuquerque. But yeah, I think 30K Custodes in the final rules need to gain rending on all weapons, +1 attack, and maybe Eternal Warrior. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Formations too. Because everything needs to be like 40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 Inferno is a month away. Just wait that little bit longer however excitable we're getting for it. We were given something to tide us over until proper release. Just like leman russ. Once the list is available and we can see how the army is meant to work, No One is in a place to make proper judgement on them however many people cry they're rubbish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 People tend to write first and think last. That is what you are missing. :P Custodes are like Ghal Vorbak basically but with better saves. Don't know why people keep yelling they suck. At least everyone should zipp it unless we have the complete ruleset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 New info added to first post Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I have always been interested in Custodes, the transports look great but I'm not really a fan of the plastics. Probably still get them when they have a solo release and see what I can do with them, but for now there's no temptation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Formations too. Because everything needs to be like 40k Bite your tongue lest you bring ill fortune upon us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foto69man Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 What consoul choice would you attach to a Custodes squad (30k) to make them better...more survivable? Chaplain, Medicae, Librarian?And you could park a transport next to them and then jump in after the game starts. It's a thought...right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightyjesus55 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 What consoul choice would you attach to a Custodes squad (30k) to make them better...more survivable? Chaplain, Medicae, Librarian? And you could park a transport next to them and then jump in after the game starts. It's a thought...right? In 30k you can't go in your allies transport at all, pretty sure. I've had small success running them with a Knight Errant with Narthecium and ML 2. They really need rampage or +1 attack, the block rule, and to be ap2 for the points you are paying for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 In 30k they have: Less Attacks, no deepstriking, no Eternal Warrior, no way to mix weapons, no awesome banner, no consistent AP2, no 3++, higher cost. The reduction in attacks is what kills them on top of everything. The Shield Master or whatever he's called in 40k could have 6 ap2 attacks on the charge. Also, in 30k there are plenty of quality assault units that would eat them up. Sons of Horus Justaerins, Death Guard Deathshroud, Ultramarines Suzerains, etc. Seems awfully weak, although there is a possibility to change the rules (they'll have to!) The Tanks are awesome, however, as are the Dreads. Can't wait for 40k rules. You do know they are the basic troops for a custodoes army right so they aren't meant to curb stomp every legion super unit ever otherwise they will be pretty OP. How about waiting until inferno is released where the actual dedicated assault veteran custodoes are released. Besides 40k versions are meant to be super version mainly since they will most likely be the only custodoe units that you can take in 40k so of course they are meant to be jacked up. Seriously why do people moan about custodoes being not as powerful they are not like Primarchs they can die just as easy as marines just look at first Herectic, Prospero etc I'm sorry but it will be pretty crap if custodoes were some super OP army that annilated everything on the board without suffering any damage , leave that crap in 40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 They are basic troups priced higher than Elite units, so it's not really a fair comparison. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4610921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 In 30k they have: Less Attacks, no deepstriking, no Eternal Warrior, no way to mix weapons, no awesome banner, no consistent AP2, no 3++, higher cost. The reduction in attacks is what kills them on top of everything. The Shield Master or whatever he's called in 40k could have 6 ap2 attacks on the charge. Also, in 30k there are plenty of quality assault units that would eat them up. Sons of Horus Justaerins, Death Guard Deathshroud, Ultramarines Suzerains, etc. Seems awfully weak, although there is a possibility to change the rules (they'll have to!) The Tanks are awesome, however, as are the Dreads. Can't wait for 40k rules. So what you are saying is that squads of elite bodyguards from the Legions give squads of elite bodyguards of the Emperor a run for their money? Stop the presses, guys, the world has turned upside down. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4611177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Transports look very good. So does regular Custodes. But the Custodes Contemptor really does it for me, phenomenal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4611364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 In 30k they have: Less Attacks, no deepstriking, no Eternal Warrior, no way to mix weapons, no awesome banner, no consistent AP2, no 3++, higher cost. The reduction in attacks is what kills them on top of everything. The Shield Master or whatever he's called in 40k could have 6 ap2 attacks on the charge. Also, in 30k there are plenty of quality assault units that would eat them up. Sons of Horus Justaerins, Death Guard Deathshroud, Ultramarines Suzerains, etc. Seems awfully weak, although there is a possibility to change the rules (they'll have to!) The Tanks are awesome, however, as are the Dreads. Can't wait for 40k rules. So what you are saying is that squads of elite bodyguards from the Legions give squads of elite bodyguards of the Emperor a run for their money? Stop the presses, guys, the world has turned upside down. :D No one bar the Primarchs should be giving the Custodes a run for their money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4611392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Tell that to Argal Tal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4611403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 In 30k they have: Less Attacks, no deepstriking, no Eternal Warrior, no way to mix weapons, no awesome banner, no consistent AP2, no 3++, higher cost. The reduction in attacks is what kills them on top of everything. The Shield Master or whatever he's called in 40k could have 6 ap2 attacks on the charge. Also, in 30k there are plenty of quality assault units that would eat them up. Sons of Horus Justaerins, Death Guard Deathshroud, Ultramarines Suzerains, etc. Seems awfully weak, although there is a possibility to change the rules (they'll have to!) The Tanks are awesome, however, as are the Dreads. Can't wait for 40k rules. So what you are saying is that squads of elite bodyguards from the Legions give squads of elite bodyguards of the Emperor a run for their money? Stop the presses, guys, the world has turned upside down. :D No one bar the Primarchs should be giving the Custodes a run for their money. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. You've got some very power gamey views on the rules that aren't backed up by the lore. A regular custodes should beat a regular legionary, but the fact the elite of the elite companies of each legion can simply hold their own bothers you? Are you including things like grav wave effects and assaulting from vehicles in your calculations? Or the fact most transports carrying the big Killy legion squads won't survive long enough with Calladius and Lascannon Spear dreads moving around. Fire Raptors and Storm Eagles? The number of Sisters units available? You don't have Inferno yet, and the rules in White Dwarf weren't the final version and didn't have all the upgrades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4611407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I just look at the 40k versions and wonder why FW felt the need to make the 30k versions so much weaker. These are the Golden bodyguards of the Emperor. Awe inspiring figures that have Marines talking in hushed voices when they appear. I did say FW could surprise me and re-write their rules. In the meantime I'm just hoping we get 40k rules for all this cool stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/2/#findComment-4611415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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