Marshal Rohr Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I just look at the 40k versions and wonder why FW felt the need to make the 30k versions so much weaker. These are the Golden bodyguards of the Emperor. Awe inspiring figures that have Marines talking in hushed voices when they appear. I did say FW could surprise me and re-write their rules. In the meantime I'm just hoping we get 40k rules for all this cool stuff. They'd feel the same way about the Phoenix Guard or the Suzerains is my point. 40k has a higher Attack to Kill speed than 30k does and focuses more killing power in characters than in squads, like 30K does. It's a difference in design philosophy. So a squad of 40k custodes will eat everyone's lunch on the charge, but it won't have access to the volume of equipment and vehicles their 30k counterparts have. 30k is more of a vehicle game too, and that shouldn't be ignored when considering why they are different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I expect the tanks and Dreads to be good. Don't misunderstand, I'm not expecting an auto win army, but what we've been given thus far, rules wise, is far removed from what I had in my mind when I imagined Custodes on the tabletop. The 40k rules honestly got it more right in that regard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Maybe it's the other way round. FW looked at the crazy Royal Rumble that 40k is and thought it may be a good idea to adept their rules to that. ;) Besides I don't give a dang thing about 40k rules at all and I still think that custodes are a good unit even without their final rule set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Yeah, I think we should definitely wait and see the actual Talons army list before we make any power level assumptions. FW have said it is very different and very powerful. They'll likely have army-wide rules that apply over-and-above the preview rules we've seen. As for the Coronus Grav-Carrier... I must admit it doesn't look like an Assault Transport. But who knows what else is coming - GW might make a plastic skiff-like transport (mentioned in some of the books) for the assault units. I could see the Coronus used for transporting the Sentinel Guard (like a Proteus full of Breachers) that don't necessarily want to charge. Having the Pallas Grav-attack in squadrons is very cool, but I will wait to find out what those Arachnus blaze cannons are. Contemptors are an interesting option. They're a brilliant model, no doubt! Does anyone else think their front armour looks reinforced? You can see it on the rear shots. Might be that they're going to be FA14... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I think the Dreads need av14 :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Or they have Flair Shields, because... of reasons. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idomeneus Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I can see why FW appear to have scaled down the Custodes, much as I like obscenely expensive super units (points wise), this allows players to have an army of Custodes, rather than a single deathstar. It's the same thing GW does with space marines, a single Astartes should be able to chew through an 20 man guard squad without breaking a sweat, but that either results in a game where the Astartes auto win or you have only 3 marines fighting in 1500pt match. Bearing in mind that a Custodian Guard army is going to have these guys as their basic troops, making them powerful to fluff levels would mean you couldn't have an HQ and two troops under 1000pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 My issue is, upon being scaled back in power they weren't scaled back in points. 3 guys with shields for 195. I can literally bring 20 Marines for 225 or 20 Solar Auxilia for 100. They are priced like a Deathstar but perform nothing like one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 My issue is, upon being scaled back in power they weren't scaled back in points. 3 guys with shields for 195. I can literally bring 20 Marines for 225 or 20 Solar Auxilia for 100. They are priced like a Deathstar but perform nothing like one. And those 3 Custodes stand a really good chance at beating both of those in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ishagu, Seriously if you have the full army rules for them there's a whole ruck of people that want details about inferno. You've got a set of early release heres something to play with while you wait. That's it. Nothing more. You cannot compare an unfinished article to a completed one. You just can't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm loving everything Custodes, I'm definitely doing an allied army to run with my Wolves. I can't wait to see what Valdor looks like Regarding the rules, I think FW goes for internal balance over pure fluffiness (otherwise Primarchs would be brutally over-powered). I trust that FW will do some proper playtesting and come up with a fun and (moderately) fluffy ruleset. Just wish the SoS were getting a full army list.... And still no sign of SW helm upgrades.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm loving everything Custodes, I'm definitely doing an allied army to run with my Wolves. I can't wait to see what Valdor looks like Regarding the rules, I think FW goes for internal balance over pure fluffiness (otherwise Primarchs would be brutally over-powered). I trust that FW will do some proper playtesting and come up with a fun and (moderately) fluffy ruleset. Just wish the SoS were getting a full army list.... And still no sign of SW helm upgrades.... Sisters will be in the Talons list though, and fighting beside the 10,000 - as they are known to do. What I'm really hoping for? Access to certain mechanicum units so that I can make the Calistar defence force from Master of Mankind (no spoilers though please!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm loving everything Custodes, I'm definitely doing an allied army to run with my Wolves. I can't wait to see what Valdor looks like :drool: Regarding the rules, I think FW goes for internal balance over pure fluffiness (otherwise Primarchs would be brutally over-powered). I trust that FW will do some proper playtesting and come up with a fun and (moderately) fluffy ruleset. Just wish the SoS were getting a full army list.... And still no sign of SW helm upgrades....:( Sisters will be in the Talons list though, and fighting beside the 10,000 - as they are known to do. What I'm really hoping for? Access to certain mechanicum units so that I can make the Calistar defence force from Master of Mankind (no spoilers though please!) Magos Dominus Dumbledore dies.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Lamenterkyle/FB_IMG_1483554843379_zpslacknb64.jpg Candid! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm loving the Contemptors and vehicles. Just hope the Dreads can drop pod in and the vehicles have a way in the fluff of rapid surface deployment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Uhhhhhh custodes are taking over my wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Its a GREAT time to be a dreadhead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm loving the Contemptors and vehicles. Just hope the Dreads can drop pod in and the vehicles have a way in the fluff of rapid surface deployment. They can in the new novel MoM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Lamenterkyle/FB_IMG_1483554843379_zpslacknb64.jpg Candid! Great vehicle but the custodians are going to have a helluva time whacking their coneheads against the ceiling as they deploy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4611986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Lamenterkyle/FB_IMG_1483554843379_zpslacknb64.jpg Candid! Great vehicle but the custodians are going to have a helluva time whacking their coneheads against the ceiling as they deploy... Those dang golden bananas... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4612018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 So probably not an assault vehicle then, or if it is, it will be difficult to utilize that hatch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4612948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I think it's going to be an assault vehicle for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4612997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Aw yeah, tyrant siege terminators are finally in the works? Hell yeah! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4613068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Has there been any word when the Freki & Geri models will be available through the FW site ? Looking forward to paint those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4623495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 My issue is, upon being scaled back in power they weren't scaled back in points. 3 guys with shields for 195. I can literally bring 20 Marines for 225 or 20 Solar Auxilia for 100. They are priced like a Deathstar but perform nothing like one. I took 5 of the shields against Russ (thought i would play test the fight) and they held him up for longer than a game! They also nearly killed Russ, he was on his final wound when he dropped the last Custode. So they do well enough! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329340-new-custodes-transport-open-day-sneak-peeks/page/3/#findComment-4627950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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