jaco331r Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm very familiar with 40k but have yet to play 30k. First few games are against salamanders. Biggest problem I face is not having any idea what's fluffy about death guard other than dirty armor and resilience. And something about multiples of 7 so here it goes. (Traitors, the reaping) HQ Typhon 200 5 deathshroud 210 Legion centurion 120 (for phosphex) Siege breaker, thunder hammer ELITES 3x apothecary detachment 195 Artificer armor and power swords 3 rapier weapon batteries 165 Laser destroyers Mortis contemptor dreadnought 195 2 kheres assault cannons, havoc launcher TROOPS Tactical squad 224 +3, vox, vex, articficer armor, power fist, extra ccw Tactical squad 224 +3, vox, vex, articficer armor, power fist, extra ccw Breachers 295 +3, 2 flamers chem munitions, artificer, T. Hammer Heavy support squad 210 +2, middles or a. Cannons depending on foe HEAVY SUPPORT Sicaran venator 260 Lascannons, armored ceremite, heavy flamer chem Spartan assault vehicle 370 Flare shield, armored ceremite, laser destroyers Artillery squadron 330 2x medusas, phosphex, heavy flamers, chem munitions 2998 pts. I also have plans to CUT typhon Heavy support squad Sicaran heavy flamer Downgrade one tactical fist to axe ADD Mortarion the reaper Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Personally I'd run Medusa without phosphex.. str10 is much better and means you can take on Armour too Oh and remove Lascannons on venator as they would only be able to snap fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varyn Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The list looks pretty decent. As Fangbanger said, drop the lascannons from the sicaran and I'd drop the laser destroyers from the spartan. I would also not bother buying a heavy flamer on the medusa's or sicaran, they won't use it. That should free up 80 points. I'd also try and find a way to get some grave wardens in; that's just my opinion because I like to use legion specific units. However this means dropping 1 of your heavy support options. Maybe the spartan? you could put the deathshroud in a phobos (with armoured ceramite and multi melta), from what I can see the spartan is for typhon + deathshroud, so the phobos can transport them if you drop typhon or 1 deathshroud. This should free up either 310 or 150 (depending whether you drop typhon or 1 deathshroud. So that gives you either 230 and 390 points (adding the 80 from above), which leaves enough for 5 grave wardens with 2 chain fists (210) and you can put melta bombs on your deathshroud. If you decided to drop typhon and not 1 deathshroud (you would still have 160 points left) you could also max out your troops a bit, bump up the tacticals by 3 in each of the 2 squads and add in 2 more grave wardens, that makes 142pts (I think!) Sorry that's all a bit wordy and long, it's just my suggestions based on what you've written! Hopefully it's useful :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 ^ All good points here. As mentioned, you have a lot of free points in this list, like the Siege Breaker (it's a bit useless, as normal Medusa shells are so much better than phosphex ones), the pintle-mounted heavy flamers on the Tanks, the lascannons on the Venator, and the 2nd Tactical Squad (you have 4 other scoring units). With regards to Calas Typhon, Deathshroud & Grave Wardens... Typhon and Grave Wardens wear Cataphractii armour, while Deathshroud wear Tartaros. If Typhon rides with the Deathshroud, he'll slow them down. And Grave Wardens can take a Spartan as a Dedicated Transport. I recommend you do a straight swap! Consider this list - it's very similar to yours: HQ Calas Typhon: Rite of War (The Reaping) xxx TROOPS 15 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; Deathshroud power scythe; melta bombs; rad grenades); 14 Tactical Space Marines; extra chainswords; nuncio-vox; legion vexilla 265 15 Breacher Space Marines: Breacher Sergeant (artificer armour; Deathshroud power scythe; melta bombs; rad grenades); 14 Breacher Space Marines; 3 × flamer (chem-munitions); nuncio-vox; legion vexilla 365 10 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant (artificer armour); 9 Heavy Support Marines; autocannons 295 ELITES Apothecarion Detachment • Apothecary: artificer armour; power sword; augury scanner 70 • Apothecary: artificer armour; power sword; augury scanner 70 • Apothecary: artificer armour; augury scanner 60 3 Rapier Carriers: 3 × laser destroyer array 165 3 Rapier Carriers: 3 × laser destroyer array 165 Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons; carapace-mounted havoc launcher 195 HEAVY SUPPORT Artillery Tank Squadron • Medusa xxx • Medusa xxx Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer xxx 7 Grave Warden Terminators: Chem-Master (Deathshroud power scythe); 6 Grave Warden Terminators; 2 × chainfist 280 • Spartan Assault Tank: armoured ceramite; flare shield 370 3,000 points It has the pretty much all the same units, but with 7 :) Grave Wardens instead of 5 Deathshroud. It also has a whole extra unit of laser destroyer Rapiers, so you can set one unit up on either side of the board (crossfire is a beautiful thing). Power sword Apothecaries go in the Tactical and Breacher Squads, while the last joins the Heavy Support Squad. I've loaded up units with artificer armour, augury scanners, vexilla, nuncio-voxes, melta bombs and Deathshroud power scythes, as they're all very useful. The Grave Wardens have some chainfists for heavy armour too. All this for the cost of a Tactical Squad! :) Just something to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaco331r Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 I didn't know that medusa shells had S10......I somehow missed that, so no phosphex. HOWEVER would it be smart to keep the siege master to give my heavy support squad tank hunter? I'll definitely drop the pintle weapons. I want to keep the squads at 14 men each (it's all the fluff I know) and I'd rather add another squd instead of beefing up the others. I did notice the difference in terminator armor though. Would grace wardens still be viable in cqb? I feel like it wouldn't be a HH list without a cool character with a bodyguard unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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