Brother Castle Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Well, i have to start on a bit of a low, I was going to wait until I had the models on hand to start this WIP but they have been delayed, so I thought I would start this any way to discuss a few things before hand. so I spent a lot of time thinking about what regiment and colour scheme I was going to use, i went through a few option most of them taken from the interesting patterns of the second world war, as well as the traditional Grey/Urban and Dessert schemes, until I finally set on doing a standard Cadian Regiment, with the fall of Cadia coming soon, I loved the imagery of the Regiments being Recalled to bolster the defence. so all was good and right with the world...... then I saw this http://pre03.deviantart.net/6a89/th/pre/i/2014/308/5/d/praetorian_xvi_s_last_stand_by_diegogisbertllorens-d858hxv.jpg and learnt about the Praetorian Guard, and I'm hooked, I'm in, I'm sold all the things. Now does anyone know where to get plinth helmets for guardsmen? also on a different note do we only get meta and plasma guns in out command squad? as always C&C welcome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallarn Commander Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Victoria Miniatures has excellent Praetorian heads (she has a whole line of Praetorian troopers that many guard players love) -10 female pith helmet heads for about $9 USD http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/pith-helmet-heads-female -10 pith helmet heads for about $9 USD http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/pith-helmet-heads-2 I might be wrong, but I think the Cadian command sprue only has a plasma gun, flamer/heavy flamer, and sniper rifle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 What TC said is correct for both points You can always check ebay for old praetorians too, but they're harder and more expensive to come by then mordians! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Talarian Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 In addition to the above I'm fairly positive the box also comes with a melta weapon. Also, good luck with starting your first regiment! The Praetorians do look really cool. Looking forward to seeing an updated WIP! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The Praetorians are a fantastic regiment, we could do with more of them :D Looking forward to seeing you get started, as mention Victoria does some great bits that may be of use :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 A good (and to be honest, slightly better) alternative to Victoria Miniatures are Mad Robot Miniatures Valksburg Grenadiers; you can buy the parts individually as well if you'd rather do that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Castle Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 The victoria miniatures heads look cool, but i think i prefer the ones from http://maxmini.eu/pith-heads-bits, and those suggested by Isinfier. the idea was to use the normal Guard Kit and then just do a head swap, and colour scheme of course, Has anyone used the heads from any of the mentioned companies? if so how difficult if at all was the conversion? what little research I've done says the collar on the Cadia kit is an issue, and im not overly confident in my converting skills. And on the matter of the metla and plasma guns that means I'm going to be buying a lot of those kits then i guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I've had a few third-party bits from Mad Robot in the past, and in my experience they are fantastic. Victoria is great, but it can be a bit hit and miss at times; MaxMini I can't speak for, but I've heard good things about them. It shouldn't be too much of an issue to alter the collar on the Cadian kit; just shaving it down with a small craft knife should work, alternatively you could adjust the neck connection on the head via shaving or trimming. Also, if you're looking for alternative lasrifle arms, check out Anvil Industry's upcoming Trench Fighters line; they'll be out in mid-February. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Or you can just snip the hands off any spare SM meltas or plasmas you have lying around Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Is that art official by any chance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The Victoria lamb heads work nicely with the standard Cadian bodies. I have a platoon of them as well as my rough rider squad. VL also sells plasma guns and "fusion" guns (meltas) which aren't bad. That picture up top solved my conundrum of which color to paint my chest armor on these guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettfp Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 This could be a fun regiment to see. I just used victoria mini bits for my chem dogs and they were fine, the scale matches GW and all i had to do was rinse the bits and they glued just fine. I dont really see how the cadian collar should get in the way but who knows. Good Luck Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4614903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The collar comes up pretty high in the back and the back part of the helmet dips down really low. I just had to shave a little bit if the collar off and it was fine. The rough riders in my word press blog below use them (shameless self promotion). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4615131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Castle Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 Cheers all, I loving the support for a project I'm unable to start yet its great, Is that art official by any chance? I don't believe so, I saw it while searching Google for inspiration and it led to the 40k wiki, I wish it was, that might give hope for all manner of new plastic guard kits that would be awesome..... shame really, it's a great peace. The collar comes up pretty high in the back and the back pat of the helmet dips down retry low. I just had to shave a little bit if the collar off and it was fine. The rough riders in my word press blog below use them (shameless self promotion). as long as its a fairly simple job I think I can manage, failing that I will just use good old trial and error. so thanks for the tips, was that with the victoria minis heads? and plug away, your rough riders look great, what did you make them out of? and I particularly like the horse with the jerry can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4615180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I feel like, to really make these Praetorian Guards stand out, you should try picking up the old Praetorian Lieutenant (centre) from eBay. There's quite a few on there at the moment, which I must admit is tempting me a great deal. http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab42/witterquik/DSC_1426_zps6da84bbb.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4617687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Castle Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 I do agree, he looks great, I also like the Michael Caine looking guy on Victoria Minis, i saw another officer model while i was searching and he looks good think he might be a conversion but i cant post a pic, for some reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4618759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Another good alternative (although they scale at 32mm, they are on par with regular guardsmen) is the Kingdom of Britannia range from Dystopian Legions by Spartan Games (responsible for Halo: Fleet Battles, Halo: Ground Command, Dystopian Legions/Wars and Firestorm Armada/Planetfall). They match up with the Praetorian Guard aesthetic nicely, and the cannon could easily be modified to appear as a lascannon or an autocannon. http://cdn3.volusion.com/gnclv.fjgyd/v/vspfiles/photos/DLKB30-2.jpg?1463542311 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4619133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Cheers all, I loving the support for a project I'm unable to start yet its great, Is that art official by any chance? I don't believe so, I saw it while searching Google for inspiration and it led to the 40k wiki, I wish it was, that might give hope for all manner of new plastic guard kits that would be awesome..... shame really, it's a great peace. The collar comes up pretty high in the back and the back pat of the helmet dips down retry low. I just had to shave a little bit if the collar off and it was fine. The rough riders in my word press blog below use them (shameless self promotion). as long as its a fairly simple job I think I can manage, failing that I will just use good old trial and error. so thanks for the tips, was that with the victoria minis heads? and plug away, your rough riders look great, what did you make them out of? and I particularly like the horse with the jerry can. The horses and rider legs are Outriders/pistoleers from Warhammer fantasy (empire). Chests and arms are cadian. The Jerry cans and saddle bags are left over bullgryn bits. The heads are by Victoria Lamb. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4628798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Castle Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 Thanks for the breakdown I will have to put some together ... eventually. And sorry for the lack of progress with this WIP, a lot of real life stuff got in the way so I haven't had a lot of time to do anything much except build a hell hound and a chimera, which I'm sure people have seen before, I did, however, get a little time today to think about metal guns, and I messed about and came up with these, I'm actually quite proud of them ( as silly as it might sound) I'm just waiting on heads so that I can build my infantry and the rest of the magnets for the vehicles. I'm getting some time off soon so hopefully, I will be able to crack on and get some painted minis up for your enjoyment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4634318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Castle Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 Right Sorry, its taken so long (life stuff) but I have finally got around to painting up test models based on the pretorian scheme above. so there he is, C&C welcome, the white was a pain to do andImight change it to a more brown scheme in place of the clean white. a few question about Regiment organisation, if you please. First off linked with the paint scheme above which colour would be the most prevalent on the armoured units? would it be the white? I'm not sure what the general practice is within the guard. similarly with enginseers, are they in the regimental colours of the units they serve with or from the forge world they came from? ie mars red or Metallica white? Also, with guard regiments not being combined. would that mean that my tanks and the infant chimaeras come from different regiments? and should therefore me numbered and marked differently? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4653428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 White is a bit of a pain yes, but it does look good. It's not so bad with the base Ceramite White paint, otherwise it's all about the many thin coats :) For the techpriest and armour colours whatever colour you want is fine. Even one not on your infantry scheme! It's much the same with how combined regiments are done, so they could all be put under one scheme and number and that's that. Or it could be an attached armoured company with tanks in their own system. Chimeras would be part of the same regiment as the infantry though, as they'd be a mechanised one :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4653463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I find for small areas you can get away with Ulthuan grey like I did with my mordians Easier to paint with than the whites GW also posted a few techniques on their YouTube channel on how to paint whites Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4653481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Castle Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 this was the armour scheme that really spoke to me. and I feel that with a little red it would work well for the praetorian scheme at the top, the white on the model is really growing on me now that I look at it, I just need to find a way to make it simpler, the celestra grey to ulthuan grey was the method I used, but now I'm thinking maybe corax white the washed and layered backup might make it quicker and less of a fuss. on another note I really like that model, its a shame we cant use it ... yet ... hopefully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4654185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I use a lot of white scar for my RG Ulthuan is a lot quicker and forgiving I find. However it definitely is not pure white so depends what youre hoping to achieve. BTW my white formula for the mordians is just Ulthuan Nulin wash Ulthuan That tank above looks like a plasmacutioner to me! ;) nice model I haven't seen it before. Painting tanks white and red is easy. You should check out my WiP thread: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317654-a-mordian-march-to-glory/ My tank formula is Black undercoat Corax white spray not too heavy trying to keep some contrast especially on the recesses Then I was the recesses followed by a White scar dry bush Then I add the rest of the colours and details Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4654194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Castle Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 I just checked out your thread its great, your way of painting the vehicle's is good, quick and easy enough and gives a nice effect, and it's broken up nicely with the other colours that you have chosen. as for the tank its a forgeworld model for their solar auxilia range from the horus heresy (another passion of mine) I hope that it and its awsome volkite weapon get rules for the guard some day but as you said it would work well as a plasmacutioner. I will just have to sort out exactly what effect I want and work on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329569-a-wip-as-promised-sort-of/#findComment-4654235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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