where are the 13th black crusade stories?

[hopkins]

warzone fenris got the 2 series, but traitor's hate/angel's blade and now fall of cadia have nothing to support them from BL?

 

if this is a huge narrative event, if not quite the end times, i'd still expect something?

 

 

[Sete]

I was about to make a cynical comment but my better judgment will not allow it.

Yeah Cadia fell, not a single novel?

It's not as important as Fenris it seems ;)

[hopkins]

I was about to make a cynical comment but my better judgment will not allow it.

Yeah Cadia fell, not a single novel?

It's not as important as Fenris it seems

please, i like bitter and cynical

[Scribe]

I have to wonder if it's not that freedom ADB mentioned.

 

Fewer hard tie in books?

More Space Sharks and Inquisitors?

 

Maybe?

[Sete]

I was about to make a cynical comment but my better judgment will not allow it.

Yeah Cadia fell, not a single novel?

It's not as important as Fenris it seems

please, i like bitter and cynical

Cmon man really? It's Templars and Sisters. They are basically the Bretonnians of 40k ;)

And Guard? NPC faction xD

But let the SW or Ultras get involved. It's another 10 novels full of wet leopard growls and theoreticals and praticals.

;)

I was expecting something from Black Legion point of view but with Black Legion coming this summer probably not.

But from what I can gather this book seems like the Campaign books of AoS.

[Phoebus]

I have to wonder if it's not that freedom ADB mentioned.

Fewer hard tie in books?

More Space Sharks and Inquisitors?

Maybe?

Man, I hope not.

 

I was frustrated when the emphasis of tie-in fiction meant writers needed to be convinced to write propaganda about Centurions and Space Marine gunships. That's what should've been slashed, not encouraging authors to write about the definitive battle of the Dark Millennium - the Armageddon Ragnarok End of Days scenario that sees the slow death of Man accelerate to "As Fast As The Warp Can Take Us."

[Scribe]

Meh, if ADB and the rest of the top writers are happy, I'm happy. :]

[Phoebus]

Oh, yeah, no disagreement on that count. I just figured that project would be exciting for them - vice the standard tie-in fare. :)

[IronDrake28]

I've been wondering this myself, I feel that tie-in books could make this whole event feel a lot more epic.

 

The current supplement style might be a bit too thin to really get an interesting story across, plus GW may not even want to put forth a grand narrative.

 

Thinking back to the End Times in Fantasy, those books were mighty tomes, and the events depicted within were captivating for someone who didn't even play Fantasy! (Me :P) There was also at least a few novels tied-in.

 

I haven't got Fall of Cadia yet, and I'm probably more optimistic than a lot of people judging by the thread in N&R, but I have the terrible feeling this might all end up a bit weak sauce.

[HeritorA]

Oh, yeah, no disagreement on that count. I just figured that project would be exciting for them - vice the standard tie-in fare.

In my humble opinion I think that we would get some novelization book for the 'Fall of Cadia', but from some 'minor' author. Cause all the major ones are busy with the HH or their lives If tablet edition for the Fall of Cadia is available to download on 14th of January, so probably we will get a novel for it at the same time.

Plus knowing BL (in my humble opinion) - they would definitely release a :cussload of old stuff to it. Like all the cadians stories, A D-B cadians story, Flesh tearers and SW ones (as they did with Ragnar) etc.

[DarkChaplain]

I'm still puzzled that Robbie MacNiven was pulled from writing the Wrath of Magnus tie-in and now nobody seemed to have written anything for it.

And Traitor's Hate had a semi-lead-in via Khârn: The Red Path only.

 

I'd honestly be happier if they'd hold off on Cadia until both parts are released and they know exactly which plotlines need to be in focus and extended. There were so many parts in the End Times novels that got just dropped in subsequent big books and the novels that it spoke of utter chaos in the design studio.

[HeritorA]

I'm still puzzled that Robbie MacNiven was pulled from writing the Wrath of Magnus tie-in and now nobody seemed to have written anything for it.

And Traitor's Hate had a semi-lead-in via Khârn: The Red Path only.

I'd honestly be happier if they'd hold off on Cadia until both parts are released and they know exactly which plotlines need to be in focus and extended. There were so many parts in the End Times novels that got just dropped in subsequent big books and the novels that it spoke of utter chaos in the design studio.

Maybe Robbie was pulled to write something for Cadia release? Oh he needed time to write a good story for the Red Tithe?

'I'd honestly be happier if they'd hold off on Cadia until both parts are released and they know exactly which plotlines need to be in focus and extended.' - what I think would be interesting, if they do release 2 tie-in novels - one for the Imperium triumvirate and one from the point of Hounds of Abaddon :)

[MrDarth151]

I still think they missed a huge opportunity by not having the campaign be decided by actual battles, like the original one.

 

That said, I do not especially miss tie-in novels. Honestly, I think that BL is at its best when they don't write stuff that ties in to specific events in the 40k universe. They are more self-contained and freedom of not having to write about established characters makes for generally better writing.

[HeritorA]

I still think they missed a huge opportunity by not having the campaign be decided by actual battles, like the original one.

 

That said, I do not especially miss tie-in novels. Honestly, I think that BL is at its best when they don't write stuff that ties in to specific events in the 40k universe. They are more self-contained and freedom of not having to write about established characters makes for generally better writing.

If I remember correctly Chaos has lost badly in real campaign.

BL could do epic stories - if they have freedom to do it.

[Scribe]

 

I still think they missed a huge opportunity by not having the campaign be decided by actual battles, like the original one.

 

That said, I do not especially miss tie-in novels. Honestly, I think that BL is at its best when they don't write stuff that ties in to specific events in the 40k universe. They are more self-contained and freedom of not having to write about established characters makes for generally better writing.

If I remember correctly Chaos has lost badly in real campaign.

BL could do epic stories - if they have freedom to do it.

 

 

You remember...incorrectly.

 

You are thinking the Storm of Chaos (Fantasy) Campaign, they got trashed in that one. In the Eye of Terror Campaign, Chaos was a force. :]

[Jareddm]

I still think they missed a huge opportunity by not having the campaign be decided by actual battles, like the original one.

 

That said, I do not especially miss tie-in novels. Honestly, I think that BL is at its best when they don't write stuff that ties in to specific events in the 40k universe. They are more self-contained and freedom of not having to write about established characters makes for generally better writing.

I've found them to be hit or miss depending on the particular campaign they're attached to. For me, 90% of the Sanctus Reach tie-in stories were great, whereas only one of the Shield of Baal stories pulled me in. I hadn't read any of the ones that led into Wrath of Magnus.

Perhaps it's just a matter of quantity. One solid tie-in story can do a good job explaining an issue that the writing in the campaign itself only glossed over. But not every single release needs on. I recall ADB mentioning when BL worked more closely with the studio, it was a double-edged sword. Sure, the studio material got checked over by other authors, but the authors were then soft-locked into the studio's release schedule. Now the authors have their freedom again, but it may be at the detriment of studio material. There's gotta be a way to establish a better balance.

Edit: The two Valedor stories were both excellent as well.

[DukeLeto69]

There may only be so many authors and books GW/BL want to publish?

 

I seem to recall Gav Thorpe saying about 6 months or so ago that change was afoot in the structure of BL and GW that would see BL returning to being more of a SFF publishing house (with a bit more freedom) and we seems to be seeing that. He also said that GW might begin publishing books that are more closely tie in to the game releases (ie another "label").

 

I may have got that wrong but it makes some sense to "brand" your book releases differently and keep the campaign/codex tie in material more closely aligned with the studio and the BL stuff given more latitude to explore the full 10,000 years between the HH and present.

 

I have never read any of the campaign tie in fiction due to the mixed reviews. However, I agree it is a shame there doesn't appear to be any releases for Fall of Cadia.

[HeritorA]

 

 

I still think they missed a huge opportunity by not having the campaign be decided by actual battles, like the original one.

 

That said, I do not especially miss tie-in novels. Honestly, I think that BL is at its best when they don't write stuff that ties in to specific events in the 40k universe. They are more self-contained and freedom of not having to write about established characters makes for generally better writing.

If I remember correctly Chaos has lost badly in real campaign.

BL could do epic stories - if they have freedom to do it.

 

 

You remember...incorrectly.

 

You are thinking the Storm of Chaos (Fantasy) Campaign, they got trashed in that one. In the Eye of Terror Campaign, Chaos was a force. :]

 

I see - I stand corrected and will struggle to improve ;) Ty for verification.

[Felix Antipodes]

I feel that BL has come full circle re tie-ins. Previously, novels would be set within events rather than directly adapt them. They would put out supplements like the 13th Black Crusade and Sabbat Worlds books if they wanted to tie in with the event. That seemed to have changed with the GW Publishing era, when a lot of the output tied in with model releases.

 

While I'm sure there are some authors interested in adding to The Gathering Storm, I imagine they are busy playing catch up now that BL is no longer (just) a PR tool. (Lol)

[HeritorA]

I feel that BL has come full circle re tie-ins. Previously, novels would be set within events rather than directly adapt them. They would put out supplements like the 13th Black Crusade and Sabbat Worlds books if they wanted to tie in with the event. That seemed to have changed with the GW Publishing era, when a lot of the output tied in with model releases.

 

While I'm sure there are some authors interested in adding to The Gathering Storm, I imagine they are busy playing catch up now that BL is no longer (just) a PR tool. (Lol)

Good point. You could add to that  - they have a planned writing schedule for the years ahead. They know what campaigns will be played out years in advance.  So in case of Wraight he wrote/write at least 3 books now (for inquisition; for HH  and for direct W40K)