Beams Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 So, the bare minimum. For the new castellan formation is 2 HQ and 4+ troops, so at bare bones this could be 2 Priests (50) 4 Space Marine Scouts (220) So, you could start at 270 points. Or alternatively, I would suggest the following: 1 Priest - 25 Eccliasarchy Battle Conclaves (3 Crusaders) - 45 And then 4 squads of Sisters to bring the base total up to 310. From there, it's just a question of how many penitent engines do you own, and how many can fit, based on points and heavy support slots (the answers are 'not enough' and '18', leaving you with enough points left over for another but not enough slots.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The Eccliasarchy Battle Conclave from Codex: Adepta Sororoitas does not take up a HQ slot so you still need another mandatory HQ option to meet the basic requirments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4619944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 The Eccliasarchy Battle Conclave from Codex: Adepta Sororoitas does not take up a HQ slot so you still need another mandatory HQ option to meet the basic requirments. it's listed under the "one of the following" for HQs. Even so, just replace that with a canoness or another priest if your going super bare bones. I mean, this formation is interesting, in that at first it seems points intensive, but has a lot of cheap units. Plus hatred on everything, so Penitent Engines want to be taken here. I could see myself running a typical sisters list, but with Rattling Snipers for support, and maybe some vendettas to handle our anti-air issues. http://m.imgur.com/a/4ypvF Edit: the exact wording on the ecb is that they do not take up a force organization slot. Which is different then the priest who says that + does not fulfil mandatory requirement. Meaning, if one was to be pendantic, that a ecb doesn't take a slot but can be used for a mandatory requirement. They still need a priest, but their are 3/5(Jacobii) ways to do that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I was thinking take 6 squads of melta BSS w immos and 3 squads of doms with immos 155 per BSS 180 per Doms 1470 add a couple of inquisitors of choice, and fill the rest with what you fancy. I'm looking at a few Exorcists myself. It's overspecialized, but suicidal meltagirls that have a chance of coming back on a 5+ Is it better than just going CAD MSU? It's debatable, but im willing to give it a shot at least. EDIT: You know what, I think it's better to run a couple of Militarum Tempestus command squads over the inquisitors. They can deep strike in and carry 4 meltaguns as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendal1989 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I like the storm trooper route for more up field pressure, and modeling opportunities for lighter armored Sororitas (like novitiates or something). Also, I kinda like Greyfax as an option to help keep away drop pods and such from your Exorcist castle. As to it being better than a CAD, that kind of depends on if your local group heavily weights objectives in games versus kill points (my least favorite) and if you really value that it allows you to include outside forces with minimal "tax." It definitely gives you a host of options though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I've mulled over it some more and I have come up with Xx Militarum Tempestus Command Squads for HQ. Can probably split Melta and Plasma variants. 5x BSS Meltagirls in Immos for Troops 1x 20-girl blob with an Immo for the lols (returns on a 5+? yes please haha) 3x Doms and fill in whatever is left. A double Inquisitor, Xx 20-girl blob sounds hilarious as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I'm looking at this from the perspective of using it with only Sisters units. Unless I'm playing a lot of points (and have more models than I do now) I don't see much benefit for me over the CAD. And recycling BSSs just feels wrong . . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 The benefit over cad is hatred. Sure, you lose objective secured, but hatred on a conclave, Repentia, penitent engine, Sororitas command squad with melee, seraphim and Celestine and any other melee option you can think of is amazing. It will significantly increase the damage dealt in melee by your forces. It's also bigger than a cad. If you don't plan on melee, and aren't hampered by detachment restrictions, then sure, take a cad and a few detachments. Their better for sitting and shooting. But there is a reason flamers are assault weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You can't use it with just Sisters units, Dante, the formation requires two different factions. Also dont think of it as recycling. Think of it as fresh reinforcements :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The main reasons that I'm giving this detachment much thought are that it would allow me to field Vindicators for some squad-clearing templates and a Black Templars Vanguard Veteran squad to tag along with Celestine, benefit from her blessings and back her up with AP2 attacks. Beyond that I'm feeling somewhat nonplussed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 You can't use it with just Sisters units, Dante, the formation requires two different factions. Also dont think of it as recycling. Think of it as fresh reinforcements :D Just noticed that too. Easy enough to just throw in an Inquisitor/Guard priest without breaking the all sisters theme? Or you could go old school: Inducted Guard squads or assassin's? I might make myself a mobile church to function as one of the baneblade variants, now that I can take it without tax... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Ah, then I suppose I might look into it when I run my Inquisitor or if I ever ally my BA with my Sisters (not super likely). Other than that, no interest. I like playing just Sisters. I'm not here to win by throwing together stuff from 5 codices, that just isn't fun for me :) I love assault, but any Sisters unit that's going to assault (besides Seraphim) is already going to have at least 1 priest when I build a list On the other hand, if that sounds fun to you, then this really is a great detachment to let you use what you want! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 I mean, I use Penitent Engines religiously (is there any other way?), So that actually will help them be dangerous. And if by some miracle I can get zealot on them... Though it still doesn't fix any of their problems, but at least they'll hit harder if I can get them in... Maybe a squad of bullgryns for a mobile cover save... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Sure, but I don't run Penitent Engines. I'm not upset or anything, I'm just saying that I have no reason to use this over a CAD or even the IA detachment, which is fluffy even if it's not amazing rules-wise (and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside since it's a unique detachment just for Sisters) :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Orphans of the Imperium is actually pretty thematic and functions like Witch Hunters. We used to have Stormtroopers Inquisitors and Assassins in that book. This formation lets us do it again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Sure! But personally, like I said, I'm not interested in doing that. Maybe in the future I will be, and if I am, I will probably use this formation. But for the time being, no interest. No hard feelings about the formation, just indifference :) Oh and apparently it's Vanilla only for space marines in this detachment? So no BA Allies . . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Also, Dark Angel, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Death Watch, Cult Mechanicus, Skitarii, Sisters of Silence, Adeptus Custodes and Legion of the Damned are not available in the Castellans of the Imperium Detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Can someone answer a question for me? I don't have a copy of C:SM. Can any of the named IC be used in place of a Captain/Librarian/whatever in the standard SM detachments? If so, does that mean they can be used in place of a Captain/whatever in this detachment? If so... Vulkan with all these melta weapons o.o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 So: the absolute minimum (without forgeworld) for getting the Zealot bonus is 2075, and none of the units benefit greatly from zealot. 4 Priests 4 Space Marine Scouts 6 Wyvern Batteries 6 Scout Sentinels 3 Knight Gallants. Basically, if your playing a 3000pt per side game, this formation could be awesome maxed out Also if forgeworld is allowed somehow you can knock off 10 meltabombs per Wyvern and replace them with sentry guns, dropping the price to 1775, which is still too much, but is a little more manageable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendal1989 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Speaking of forgeworld, this will let me more easily use my 3 exorcists with my Avenger Strike fighter...or make more strike fighters.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Speaking of forgeworld, this will let me more easily use my 3 exorcists with my Avenger Strike fighter...or make more strike fighters.... Any more easily that simply taking two FoCs? Since the minimum is 2 HQs and 4 troops either way... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I found a ten-man Vanguard Vet squad on eBay for £22, so it seems I'm going ahead with that plan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Speaking of forgeworld, this will let me more easily use my 3 exorcists with my Avenger Strike fighter...or make more strike fighters.... Any more easily that simply taking two FoCs? Since the minimum is 2 HQs and 4 troops either way... Where I play there is a 3 detachment limits. So, this allows me to use my entire 6 Dominion spam and coteaz list with a single detachment. Also: I'm not sure how coteaz works now, with his giving obsec? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Its basically a double CAD with less HQ tax and hatred over obsec. Bring an Inquisitor along with all of your Sisters, two factions. The new Celestine counts as one of the HQ right? Being in the same formation, could an Inquisitor bought as one of its HQ choices embark with one of the Dom squads? Sorry, dunno if I will ever understand all that silliness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Sure, but I don't really have the models to do 4 effective BSSs and Dominions :P Hopefully I will in the future. For the points sizes I do I think a CAD works fine. In any case, I still haven't gotten the chance to use the Vestal Task Force, so that comes first :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329736-imperial-castellan/#findComment-4620483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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